Neither. I am not a historian, I cannot devote time and resources doing interviews to sift through to get to the truth. Even now, some parties have spun Chin’s Peng surrender into a “Peace Accord” and celebrated as a 20th anniversary of reconciliation (when there is none since the commander in chief is still alive and has never been “rehabilitated” like former East German leaders), not a collapse of Communism worldwide and the absolute defeat of Malaysian Communism. Reminds me of the movie “Goodbye Lenin”.

The point being if Chin Peng had won his revolution, I am pretty sure someone with a track record of surrendering would have reconverted back into a socialist singing the Socialist Anthem once again to preserve his power.

So what exactly do u believe with regards to the Barisan Socialist, LKY and well the MCP of the sixties ? So if you do not believe anything a communist has to say, would you believe everything that LKY has to say about the communist ?

Locke

Please read my posts carefully. I cannot state my political viewpoint more clearly.

The Young Voters of today have to remember the context of yesterday and take the actions and words of yesterday by yesterdays context and not todays.

How real was the fear and how closely tied was the Barisan of Old with the MCP in the fifties and sixties ? That was the question I was asking myself and trying to answer to myself and my answer was THEY were in BED knowingly to a large extent. and historically it WAS NOT A PAP SMEAR .

The insane marxist conspiracy of the eighties was a smear but no not the mid fifities and sixties

If you disbelieve what LKY said then read what Chin Peng had to say, I believe that at some point in time by reading both sides of history , one gets a clearer view.

Locke

Locke

Precisely. Remember he is the same person who was working for the Japanese in WWII. Funny how all the Mediacorp “historical” productions never featured a young LKY, soon to be leader of Singapore.

A lot of new voters today are too young to remember the Soviet Union, thus are too naive and thus believe the propaganda of an dead ideology waiting to make a comeback, notwithstanding the only socialist states today are Cuba and North Korea.

If PAP wishes to smear all Opposition as Communist, just point out they invited Chin Peng over for a talk in NUS.

But hey whatever, all in the name of “racial” solidarity, even if Chin Peng would be found of guilty of war crimes in a fair trial today, who the PAP government graciously invited to the illustrious NUS for a seminar.

The Malaysian government had been extraordinarily gracious, I would strung him up in a public square which is no less than he deserves.

Actually I have read academics accounts of the 1960′s as well as Chin Peng’s own revealing autobiography. Firstly as an active forum member of sorts sometimes my own personal views do not agreed with the party’s. That said I am but a lowly member and would prefer to be viewed as an individual not a party member

The truth is somewhere in between the glorified justifications to history of all concerned participants, including Chin Peng, LKY, and the Fajar Generation.

I am concerned however with an inherent tendency of comments here to just treat LKY’s remarks as the devil and not to view them in the context of that time period.

Firstly the communist threat was real not the imagined bunch of jokers from the mid eighties. The threat might have died down by 1959 pre Baling as admitted to by Chin Peng but hence the Baling Talks, but even he viewed the decision to take up a political struggle as one borne of military necessity and he always wanted to keep the military struggle as a final point of return Secondly mid sixties as soon as he rearmed and was refinanced with CCP help he was more than happy to return to an armed struggle, ( again his words )

Secondly, Cold Store much maligned by all concerned was admitted by Chin Peng to have wiped out the communist underground in 1961( Chin Pengs words and I will supply chapter verse and paragraph if u wish )

Thirdly the Communist Underground was composed of both Communist Party Members and active supporters who knew who they were supporting but not members. In reply to a question whether LCS was a communist or supported communist activities in the sixties dear old Chin Peng replied that He was NOT A COMMUNIST party member. You will notice that similar reply was given by Dr Lim. As an example someone who knowingly ended up in China helping the MCP in revolutionary broadcasts was not even an MCP member.

I may believe that LKY was machivellian to the core but neither do I believe the Barisan of the sixties were angels, only marxists or socialist, not influenced by the MCP etc etc etc after reading Chin Pengs own words.

Locke

Thank you for clarifying, I hope that not all the other views you express on local online forums are not your party’s (WP’s) views as well.

Do try reading more as well, although there is no way for you to know for sure if what you are reading is the whole truth anyway.

Actually it reflects my own views. I do not believe the party I belong to has a view point of events in the 1960′s

Do try reading My Side of History by Chin Peng

Locke

The problem is this is not a measure of true intelligence…especially when one DOES not have the wisdom to go with it or the ability or capability to learn real intelligent experiences from the real world.

One should learn from others mistake or from the past always then learn it one self.

Haiz

The problem is this is not a measure of true intelligence…especially when one DOES not have the wisdom to go with it or the ability or capability to learn real intelligent experiences from the real world.

One should learn from others mistake or from the past always then learn it one self.

Haiz

The King writes the official history! Nothing to argue about.

What should be done is to vote in more opposition into parliament to check the gov. That is the most practical action to do!