Your long lost friend and school mate in AJC and NUS

“Very interesting statement…. why do you think that CNB ’surely know’ the druglords?”

Ask any ex-CNB officer who’s a family friend of yours.

I bring up Lo as an example only because Andrew Chuah talked about ‘cleaning the country of drugs’ if he is PM. I wanted to tell him that’s not possible because of the amount of wealth, power and influence drug lords like Lo have.

And that is to further the case that even if he supports the death penalty as some sort of “social cure”, it will never be effective because the drug lords will be scott free. And they are the ones at the root of the problem because they will continue producing tons and tons of heroin in countries like Burma.
So which is it? Your assumptions can’t possibly work both ways, you know? Do you want Lo to be a druglord or not?

the emotional human element will always come into play. and who is to say that there aren’t some influential bias elements in the allocation of important resources under the coattail of capitalism.

history has also proven the powerful influential forces have always screwed the their lesser compatriots in the name of all sorts of ‘isms’.

the word ‘supposed’ will be conveniently thrown away once it does not go the way it should go as far as the powerful forces are concerned.

Who knows, if the local druglord is actually our gov itself lol…or those in charge of the drugs.

But anyway, death penalty is a nono. You can end up killing the wrong person. If u kill the wrong person, the PM of singapore must pay with his life! Cos he supported it! A life for an life!

I think we must make a distinction between drug lords and runners in the case of Yong.

I agree drug lords are scums of society i.e. they gain wealth at the demise of others. Very rarely we hear drug lords being sentenced due to various reasons being lack of evidence or because of the wealth that they possess, they hold considerable power and thus can be quite influential. To them, this is a lifestyle and more often than not they are unrepentant and unlikely to change.

Runners, as in Yong, are those we hear being nabbed for trying to smuggle drugs into the countries. They are the ones who do the dirty works and highly at risked of being caught. To the drug lords, these runners are expendible commodities that they sometime do away with easily by killing them themselves. Such runners may or may not know what they are doing but more often than not, they are doing it because they have little or no choice. Thus, there is the need to look at such runners at a case by case basis. Some are even tricked or threatened in doing smuggling jobs.

“Have you read anything written by Marx?”

No I have NOT read Marx’s THESIS on economics because history has proven that Capitalism has triumphed. End of story. As to “elitism”, capitalism is supposed to weed out the incompetent failures, not bail them out or give them multi-million salaries.

lack of evidence?

The CNB (Central Narcotics Bureau) and the SG government surely know who and where the local druglords are – why, the son of international heroin king Lo Hsing Han has an office in the CBD area! So why does our PM not do what you suggest?

Very interesting statement…. why do you think that CNB ‘surely know’ the druglords?

It’s even more interesting (weird) that you bring up Lo Hsing Han as an example.

IF he is still a druglord (not saying whether he is one way or the other, just an assumption), it would mean that he has NOT changed for the better. i.e an example of people who didn’t changed and continued to ‘damage’ the world with drugs. In short, this becomes an argument to HAVE the DP.

IF he is not a druglord, ironically, he then becomes an example of how after being let go (after being sentenced to death), one CAN change. i.e an example which Yong could follow.

So which is it? Your assumptions can’t possibly work both ways, you know? Do you want Lo to be a druglord or not?

Have you read anything written by Marx? I am not a communist and communism uses certain ideology of Marx to their own gain and twist it to form their own concept. Just because I quoted Marx does not mean it has to be a communist thingy. Please.

Marx was vehemently anti capitalist and anti elitism. My comment has nothing to say that I support communism in it. I hope you will read more thoroughly next time.Thanks

Who in the world says the same thing if it is a family member/relative (assuming the said person cares for the family/relative) who committed a crime, REGARDLESS of the crime?
What is the point of your question then?

As fae pointed out in #13, don’t use personal experience to argue for something… which is essentially your tack. i.e make it into a ‘personal experience’ and then argue for it.

11) SYN on December 8th, 2009 11.44 pm
Fortunately, TOC opened up this issue, explores it, and surfaces other viewpoints to this topic. This led me to stop blindly believing what a few persons in power or the mainstream media want us to simply believe (blindly).

yes.. but you seemed to have ignored the view from another angle. i.e why do people still support death penalty AFTER TOC has opened up the issue? Does that make people who still believe DP to be ‘blind’?

To be sure, I could ‘accuse’ YOU of being the blind one, who goes wherever others lead. But then, we’d be slinging mud at each other to no effect.

I am an ardent anti-communist, I dont give what a s*** what Marx says, not even USA hangs drug traffickers in Ronald Regan’s presidency, as to how efficacious the death penalty is as a deterrence should be determined by empirical numbers, not ideology. Go read Richard Posner’s “Economic Analysis of Law” instead.

Sometimes I read your comments, I scratch my head and wonder, are u high?

Please do not be blinded by the government’s explanation that this punishment are to deter others from abusing drugs. Like others have commented, there is no co-relation between the two. Death penalty should be abolished. We never know if a man is truly innocent or guilty, and if we do, that is the minority of cases. There are other ways to deter drug abusers and punish traffickers than by hanging.

There are more teens smoking than there are teens using drugs in Singapore!

FOR YOUR INFORMATION!.

Such a funny set of reasoning by those who supports the death penalty as a deterrent.

Ok, let me put it very very simply:

If:

Death Penalty for Traffickers = Deterrence = Less Traffickers = Safer Singapore,

Then shouldn’t it also be:

Death Penalty for Drug Addicts = Deterrence = Less Abusers = Safer Singapore.

And:

Death Penalty for Cigarettes Smokers = Deterrence = Less Smokers = Less Deaths.

Death Penalty for Cigarettes Sellers = Deterrence = Less Smokers = Less Deaths.

So, the question is:

Why is the death penalty not applied to drug abusers and cigarette smokers and sellers?

Cigarettes kill more people than drugs – at least in S’pore! Or heck may as well kill hawkers who sell unhealthy food and contribute to the number one killer in Singapore – colon cancer and what not.

Kill them all – if we go by your logic.

So, should we hang drug abusers as well?

After all, if there are no demands, then there will be no need for supply.

And if death penalty can deter drug traffickers, surely they can deter drug abusers as well, right?

Your answers, please.

Why don’t you state your brother’s full name, IC no. and whereabouts since you are so passionate about protecting society from people like him?