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		<title>By: 2 sides of the same Wayang Coin</title>
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		<dc:creator>2 sides of the same Wayang Coin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 13:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Seelan.  WP is intent on being co-opted into the Parliamentary circus as an acceptable and credible voice of the opposition.  Well they dont represent me.  A vociferous voice, with the passion and conviction, and the stamina, JBJ will always be a Singapore Hero and Patriot, even if the Party which most benefits from his sacrifices rejects his legacy and seem to prefer to distance themselves from such an illustrious personage as Jeyaretnam deserves our castigation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Seelan.  WP is intent on being co-opted into the Parliamentary circus as an acceptable and credible voice of the opposition.  Well they dont represent me.  A vociferous voice, with the passion and conviction, and the stamina, JBJ will always be a Singapore Hero and Patriot, even if the Party which most benefits from his sacrifices rejects his legacy and seem to prefer to distance themselves from such an illustrious personage as Jeyaretnam deserves our castigation.</p>
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		<title>By: spirited-centred</title>
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		<dc:creator>spirited-centred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 14:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What matters most is not just being &#039;mild and credible&#039; or &#039;aggressive and critical&#039; but whether actions from the politicians served the best interest of all Singaporeans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What matters most is not just being &#8216;mild and credible&#8217; or &#8216;aggressive and critical&#8217; but whether actions from the politicians served the best interest of all Singaporeans.</p>
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		<title>By: mice is nice</title>
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		<dc:creator>mice is nice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 09:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel Zeng

post #105 on December 24th, 2009 1.45 am

////I think opposition unity is no easy feat because our opposition parties have different approaches.////

true, &amp; people need to see &amp; appreciate them for what they stand for in their own unique way. people should not behave like 1 old man (from that big party) who does not tolerate individual views that differs from his.

i guess people are shaped largely by their environment, which does not tolerate people who do not toe-the-line. some response that borders on such behaviour is disturbing.

in the end opposition parties ought to see themselves not just as opposition parties with credibility but with vision, heart to serve the people &amp; not be too distracted by petty politics. 

i&#039;ll like to take this opportunity to wish everyone a better &amp; brighter (but not cheaper or faster) 2010!

;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel Zeng</p>
<p>post #105 on December 24th, 2009 1.45 am</p>
<p>////I think opposition unity is no easy feat because our opposition parties have different approaches.////</p>
<p>true, &amp; people need to see &amp; appreciate them for what they stand for in their own unique way. people should not behave like 1 old man (from that big party) who does not tolerate individual views that differs from his.</p>
<p>i guess people are shaped largely by their environment, which does not tolerate people who do not toe-the-line. some response that borders on such behaviour is disturbing.</p>
<p>in the end opposition parties ought to see themselves not just as opposition parties with credibility but with vision, heart to serve the people &amp; not be too distracted by petty politics. </p>
<p>i&#8217;ll like to take this opportunity to wish everyone a better &amp; brighter (but not cheaper or faster) 2010!</p>
<p>;)</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth Jeyaretnam&#8217;s response to TOC lacked composure and calm befitting a prominent politican &#124; Sgpolitics.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth Jeyaretnam&#8217;s response to TOC lacked composure and calm befitting a prominent politican &#124; Sgpolitics.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Seelan Palay said that it is ironic that the new leadership at WP is not blaming the PAP for the atrocities suffered by the late JBJ, but is allowing the victim to remain condemned. His article is published by TOC here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Seelan Palay said that it is ironic that the new leadership at WP is not blaming the PAP for the atrocities suffered by the late JBJ, but is allowing the victim to remain condemned. His article is published by TOC here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Zeng</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Zeng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;this i totally agree, there is no point proceeding with a “forced marriage” i mean opposition unity. :P

we know what happen when marriage hits the rocks right? :D

eh, Rachel, i hope you dun mind the dark humour. haa… :D &quot;

Sure, I see your point. ;)

I think opposition unity is no easy feat because our opposition parties have different approaches. There are also pros and cons, and compromises to be made with due respect to each parties&#039; uniqueness. In fact they should celebrate the diversity and work towards a common goal. However before beginning to do so, they must have a mutual sincerity to work with each other.

Otherwise it will truly turn out ugly towards the end... that is if we are to imagine the worst of all outcomes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;this i totally agree, there is no point proceeding with a “forced marriage” i mean opposition unity. :P</p>
<p>we know what happen when marriage hits the rocks right? :D</p>
<p>eh, Rachel, i hope you dun mind the dark humour. haa… :D &#8221;</p>
<p>Sure, I see your point. ;)</p>
<p>I think opposition unity is no easy feat because our opposition parties have different approaches. There are also pros and cons, and compromises to be made with due respect to each parties&#8217; uniqueness. In fact they should celebrate the diversity and work towards a common goal. However before beginning to do so, they must have a mutual sincerity to work with each other.</p>
<p>Otherwise it will truly turn out ugly towards the end&#8230; that is if we are to imagine the worst of all outcomes.</p>
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		<title>By: Nazryn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nazryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kimon:
As faras I can think, you have your own one sided opinions too.

Being in the opposition is one thing. Filling into the opposition&#039;s role is another.

As far as I can see, JBJ is a great man. A man with shoes too big for anyone to fill because his guts and determination is just and clear.

But please, as I have mentioned, the tides have changed. Look at wesminister&#039;s democracy like Australia or Britain. They fight the cause using the medium of legislation. 
Our oppositions have not been fighting based on facts and evidence? I suggest you really do your research. Infact, I would strongly suggest you take up the opposition cause.

It&#039;s common in Singapore to be dissatisfied with what has been evolving in a rapid manner. Tastes change too fast. How many are still living in the Malaysian cup dream, leaving our current soccer heroes in a limbo even though they have championed regional tourneys. Change is not good enough. People someitmes expect rapid change. If you do not root the support and display patience and loyalty, we can never achieve anything. We will jsut let PAP think that we need their directions to lead our lives.

Look at PKR ..really...they&#039;ve been fighting the cause of change but look at the evolving infigting. The fight and speeches seems so clear yet the ending result has been too subtle. It was more talk and air punching then actual groundwork.

Kimon, step inside the circle of politics, and we can properly evaluate your otherwise side comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kimon:<br />
As faras I can think, you have your own one sided opinions too.</p>
<p>Being in the opposition is one thing. Filling into the opposition&#8217;s role is another.</p>
<p>As far as I can see, JBJ is a great man. A man with shoes too big for anyone to fill because his guts and determination is just and clear.</p>
<p>But please, as I have mentioned, the tides have changed. Look at wesminister&#8217;s democracy like Australia or Britain. They fight the cause using the medium of legislation.<br />
Our oppositions have not been fighting based on facts and evidence? I suggest you really do your research. Infact, I would strongly suggest you take up the opposition cause.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s common in Singapore to be dissatisfied with what has been evolving in a rapid manner. Tastes change too fast. How many are still living in the Malaysian cup dream, leaving our current soccer heroes in a limbo even though they have championed regional tourneys. Change is not good enough. People someitmes expect rapid change. If you do not root the support and display patience and loyalty, we can never achieve anything. We will jsut let PAP think that we need their directions to lead our lives.</p>
<p>Look at PKR ..really&#8230;they&#8217;ve been fighting the cause of change but look at the evolving infigting. The fight and speeches seems so clear yet the ending result has been too subtle. It was more talk and air punching then actual groundwork.</p>
<p>Kimon, step inside the circle of politics, and we can properly evaluate your otherwise side comments.</p>
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		<title>By: fair-ways</title>
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		<dc:creator>fair-ways</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it truly going to be a multi racial party or will it change it&#039;s mind later?????

http://www.yoursdp.org/index.php/perspective/vantage/3197-sporean-activists-should-engage-more-with-others-blogger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it truly going to be a multi racial party or will it change it&#8217;s mind later?????</p>
<p><a href="http://www.yoursdp.org/index.php/perspective/vantage/3197-sporean-activists-should-engage-more-with-others-blogger" rel="nofollow">http://www.yoursdp.org/index.php/perspective/vantage/3197-sporean-activists-should-engage-more-with-others-blogger</a></p>
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		<title>By: Linguist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linguist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>relevent must reads and movie........see link below!


http://todayinsingapore.wordpress.com/

http://singabloodypore.rsfblog.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>relevent must reads and movie&#8230;&#8230;..see link below!</p>
<p><a href="http://todayinsingapore.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://todayinsingapore.wordpress.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://singabloodypore.rsfblog.org/" rel="nofollow">http://singabloodypore.rsfblog.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wayan Party</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayan Party</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why the surge in number of opposition members?
why so many young men and women?
are they not busy with work and career?

could the recent announcement of provision for more seats entice more to go this career path?

over $10000.00 per month part time work.

not bad even by european or world standard.

i also feel  can fit the shoe to ask questions.

But cannot assure i can get answers all of you want.

so vote me if i apply ok?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why the surge in number of opposition members?<br />
why so many young men and women?<br />
are they not busy with work and career?</p>
<p>could the recent announcement of provision for more seats entice more to go this career path?</p>
<p>over $10000.00 per month part time work.</p>
<p>not bad even by european or world standard.</p>
<p>i also feel  can fit the shoe to ask questions.</p>
<p>But cannot assure i can get answers all of you want.</p>
<p>so vote me if i apply ok?</p>
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		<title>By: smallfly</title>
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		<dc:creator>smallfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I opine that Singaporeans really short of political knowledge, anybody (liken to the idiotic lty) who try so hard to be a nice guy will never be a &quot;GREAT&quot; politician, mind you, please read carefully, ##a politician not a philanthropist##. Only real bad guy (liken to lky) can be a “successfully” politician (not respectable) as the more despicable you are the more political benefits and advantages you will achieve, my dear nerds!! 

That&#039;s why in international ranking of all professions by the general public: A career in Politic only rank slightly higher than a Prostitute and Medicine profession always ranks the highest in position!!! Please grown-up my dear oppositions, especially mr. ltk, miss. sl and their mild wp!!!!

Do not bull-shit talking about dignity and integrity, only the wining-political-party in gathering the most votes will succeed as the credible political party, my dear, please face the reality!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I opine that Singaporeans really short of political knowledge, anybody (liken to the idiotic lty) who try so hard to be a nice guy will never be a &#8220;GREAT&#8221; politician, mind you, please read carefully, ##a politician not a philanthropist##. Only real bad guy (liken to lky) can be a “successfully” politician (not respectable) as the more despicable you are the more political benefits and advantages you will achieve, my dear nerds!! </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why in international ranking of all professions by the general public: A career in Politic only rank slightly higher than a Prostitute and Medicine profession always ranks the highest in position!!! Please grown-up my dear oppositions, especially mr. ltk, miss. sl and their mild wp!!!!</p>
<p>Do not bull-shit talking about dignity and integrity, only the wining-political-party in gathering the most votes will succeed as the credible political party, my dear, please face the reality!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Balajian Skulambong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balajian Skulambong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Opposition unity is Not an Easy thing.
The chance for success in this is near zero.
Even small opposition parties cannot unite, what hope is left?

Would they be myopic or far-sighted leaders of the revolutionary type R?

The best suggestion i can give to them which is achievable is 
1. Don&#039;t  attempt the impossible. 
2. Do what is achievable.
3. You can Agree to Disagree 
4. You  just don&#039;t SABO the other opposition parties can liao.

All you all can do is wait for Nature to take its Course.
Champaigne in Freezer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Opposition unity is Not an Easy thing.<br />
The chance for success in this is near zero.<br />
Even small opposition parties cannot unite, what hope is left?</p>
<p>Would they be myopic or far-sighted leaders of the revolutionary type R?</p>
<p>The best suggestion i can give to them which is achievable is<br />
1. Don&#8217;t  attempt the impossible.<br />
2. Do what is achievable.<br />
3. You can Agree to Disagree<br />
4. You  just don&#8217;t SABO the other opposition parties can liao.</p>
<p>All you all can do is wait for Nature to take its Course.<br />
Champaigne in Freezer.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew leung</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew leung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &quot;Milder but more credible&quot; was coined by Mr Terence Lee of TOC.

I think PAP&#039;s level of competance is dropping sharply. The MOE did not oversee the quality of the Private Schools and accreditation of overseas Degrees. It seems the Education Minister has slipped under the radar of opposition parties. PAP lacks credibilty.

I think honor should be given to opposition members that can stand in the courtroom with The Hatchet Man.

PAP has most slogans and shysters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;Milder but more credible&#8221; was coined by Mr Terence Lee of TOC.</p>
<p>I think PAP&#8217;s level of competance is dropping sharply. The MOE did not oversee the quality of the Private Schools and accreditation of overseas Degrees. It seems the Education Minister has slipped under the radar of opposition parties. PAP lacks credibilty.</p>
<p>I think honor should be given to opposition members that can stand in the courtroom with The Hatchet Man.</p>
<p>PAP has most slogans and shysters.</p>
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		<title>By: theforgottongeneration</title>
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		<dc:creator>theforgottongeneration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@92) kimon on December 23rd, 2009 1.38 am 

&quot;....The problem with always being a conformist is that when you try to change the system from within, it’s not you who changes the system; it’s the system that will eventually change you....&quot;

Sad but that is so true. There was an article on TOC some time back about this &quot;change from within&quot; business; unfortunately I can&#039;t recall which one. Mentioned in that tread was a young doctor starting out with good ideals; the change of NMPs, Ong Teng Chong, etc...

Of course, we still have an idiot that can only shout slogans....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@92) kimon on December 23rd, 2009 1.38 am </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;.The problem with always being a conformist is that when you try to change the system from within, it’s not you who changes the system; it’s the system that will eventually change you&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sad but that is so true. There was an article on TOC some time back about this &#8220;change from within&#8221; business; unfortunately I can&#8217;t recall which one. Mentioned in that tread was a young doctor starting out with good ideals; the change of NMPs, Ong Teng Chong, etc&#8230;</p>
<p>Of course, we still have an idiot that can only shout slogans&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dexter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dexter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After re-reading the article Seelan is criticizing , i find it actually rather ODD that he is taking the Workers&#039; Party to task instead of the author of the piece, Terence Lee. As Seelan has said, the first two paragrahps have irked him. The first two paragraphs are done by the author of the piece, not the WP Youth Wing. Isn&#039;t it unfair to criticize the Workers&#039; Party based on the introduction written by someone not related to the Workers Party? Now, partisan biases aside (yes, Seelan, don&#039;t jump to conclusions based on an introductory paragraph)...

Nowhere in the entire piece do the WP Youth Wing interviewees criticize JBJ directly or indirectly. The President of the Youth Wing only indicates that the party is taking a different direction in the past, not even as part of answers to the interview but in the introduction as well. This could mean a lot of different things, such as policy formation etc. Apparently this interview is not as clear as we would like it to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After re-reading the article Seelan is criticizing , i find it actually rather ODD that he is taking the Workers&#8217; Party to task instead of the author of the piece, Terence Lee. As Seelan has said, the first two paragrahps have irked him. The first two paragraphs are done by the author of the piece, not the WP Youth Wing. Isn&#8217;t it unfair to criticize the Workers&#8217; Party based on the introduction written by someone not related to the Workers Party? Now, partisan biases aside (yes, Seelan, don&#8217;t jump to conclusions based on an introductory paragraph)&#8230;</p>
<p>Nowhere in the entire piece do the WP Youth Wing interviewees criticize JBJ directly or indirectly. The President of the Youth Wing only indicates that the party is taking a different direction in the past, not even as part of answers to the interview but in the introduction as well. This could mean a lot of different things, such as policy formation etc. Apparently this interview is not as clear as we would like it to be.</p>
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		<title>By: theforgottongeneration</title>
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		<dc:creator>theforgottongeneration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@26) seebeng on December 22nd, 2009 8.48 am 

&quot;....As far as I can recall there were two unity forums organized in the recent past to bring together all the opposition parties. Everyone attended to discuss and reach a common plan of action except the Workers’ Party headed by our “watchdog” leader LTK. The WP wants to go it alone. Maybe, they want to live up to PAP’s expectation that they are “milder and more credible”? ...&quot;

So there is a grand coalition among the opposition parties minus etc, etc.. Big deal. As if people cares how many times Bill Clinton did it with Monica Lewinsky. The total opposition in Parliament, as I know it, is about 2%. After 4 years, their presence FEELS like 2%, notwithstanding they garnered 17% of votes (34% adjusted), whatever which party/person is more at fault for such poor showing.

In contrast, I know of people who when given 2-4% of a pie, would after 4 years have eaten 25-30% of that pie.

So get real -- fighting over voters but can&#039;t even guarantee people will have a chance to vote. The first &quot;common plan of action&quot; for any grand Coalition should be to ensure 100% of voters gets to exercise their precious vote this time round, not just only 56%. Voting for a pink elephant is better than not voting at all. 

Otherwise, the opposition can organise 1000 unity forums, dig up all kind of dirt of whichever party/person and invite in Monica Lewinsky -- what then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@26) seebeng on December 22nd, 2009 8.48 am </p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;.As far as I can recall there were two unity forums organized in the recent past to bring together all the opposition parties. Everyone attended to discuss and reach a common plan of action except the Workers’ Party headed by our “watchdog” leader LTK. The WP wants to go it alone. Maybe, they want to live up to PAP’s expectation that they are “milder and more credible”? &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>So there is a grand coalition among the opposition parties minus etc, etc.. Big deal. As if people cares how many times Bill Clinton did it with Monica Lewinsky. The total opposition in Parliament, as I know it, is about 2%. After 4 years, their presence FEELS like 2%, notwithstanding they garnered 17% of votes (34% adjusted), whatever which party/person is more at fault for such poor showing.</p>
<p>In contrast, I know of people who when given 2-4% of a pie, would after 4 years have eaten 25-30% of that pie.</p>
<p>So get real &#8212; fighting over voters but can&#8217;t even guarantee people will have a chance to vote. The first &#8220;common plan of action&#8221; for any grand Coalition should be to ensure 100% of voters gets to exercise their precious vote this time round, not just only 56%. Voting for a pink elephant is better than not voting at all. </p>
<p>Otherwise, the opposition can organise 1000 unity forums, dig up all kind of dirt of whichever party/person and invite in Monica Lewinsky &#8212; what then?</p>
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		<title>By: kimon</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some talk about change and working within the system to achieve that. The problem with always being a conformist is that when you try to change the system from within, it&#039;s not you who changes the system; it&#039;s the system that will eventually change you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some talk about change and working within the system to achieve that. The problem with always being a conformist is that when you try to change the system from within, it&#8217;s not you who changes the system; it&#8217;s the system that will eventually change you.</p>
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		<title>By: anythingbutPAP</title>
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		<dc:creator>anythingbutPAP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far as I can tell, WP has been selfish in not helping the opposition
cause except their own.
They have refuse to stand united with the rest in criticising the PAP Govt.
eg. 
1. When SDP held a forum for the opposition parties, the refused to 
    attend.
2. When CSJ was there to highlight the shortcomings of the local
    judiciary in political cases during the American lawyers&#039; conference here,
    Party Chairman Sylvia was there to counter him by insisting there
    were bias.
3. LTK once inferred CSJ as a mad dog and that he (LTK) a watchdog.
    but did he know that mad dog certainly can bark louder and better
    his watchdog (think about his non reply when challenged by LHL over
    WKS on tthe Mas Selamat incident)
As an opposition party leader and when compared to his predecessor,
 LTK is a major disappointment.
 Nevertheless, as much a I am disappointed with the WP, if they were
 to contest in my ward, I would still vote for them BECAUSE, any opposition
 is still better than the MIW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So far as I can tell, WP has been selfish in not helping the opposition<br />
cause except their own.<br />
They have refuse to stand united with the rest in criticising the PAP Govt.<br />
eg.<br />
1. When SDP held a forum for the opposition parties, the refused to<br />
    attend.<br />
2. When CSJ was there to highlight the shortcomings of the local<br />
    judiciary in political cases during the American lawyers&#8217; conference here,<br />
    Party Chairman Sylvia was there to counter him by insisting there<br />
    were bias.<br />
3. LTK once inferred CSJ as a mad dog and that he (LTK) a watchdog.<br />
    but did he know that mad dog certainly can bark louder and better<br />
    his watchdog (think about his non reply when challenged by LHL over<br />
    WKS on tthe Mas Selamat incident)<br />
As an opposition party leader and when compared to his predecessor,<br />
 LTK is a major disappointment.<br />
 Nevertheless, as much a I am disappointed with the WP, if they were<br />
 to contest in my ward, I would still vote for them BECAUSE, any opposition<br />
 is still better than the MIW</p>
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		<title>By: mice is nice</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kimon

post #89 on December 23rd, 2009 12.23 am

////Yes. So I guess almost all the non-Chinese left WP after the last elections due to similar reasons.////

eh, let&#039;s not speculate too much? it may lead to flame wars when the pro-WP people come across comments, some people can be very offended.... 

-.-&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kimon</p>
<p>post #89 on December 23rd, 2009 12.23 am</p>
<p>////Yes. So I guess almost all the non-Chinese left WP after the last elections due to similar reasons.////</p>
<p>eh, let&#8217;s not speculate too much? it may lead to flame wars when the pro-WP people come across comments, some people can be very offended&#8230;. </p>
<p>-.-&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kimon</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mice: &quot;////Salim is now in NSP, does that mean NSP is more credible than WP? So what then is the problem with WP?////

personally, a change could be due to personal differences, strategic differences or differences in vision. the problem may be a question of fitting in any particular group, be it political, among friends, or in a workplace. &quot;

Yes. So I guess almost all the non-Chinese left WP after the last elections due to similar reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mice: &#8220;////Salim is now in NSP, does that mean NSP is more credible than WP? So what then is the problem with WP?////</p>
<p>personally, a change could be due to personal differences, strategic differences or differences in vision. the problem may be a question of fitting in any particular group, be it political, among friends, or in a workplace. &#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. So I guess almost all the non-Chinese left WP after the last elections due to similar reasons.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 16:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel Zeng

post #85 on December 22nd, 2009 11.52 pm

////....some from the other parties have responded positively to the idea of ‘opposition unity’. 

Let’s hope that things will go well but of course, WP didn’t really respond (if I am not wrong). Then again, no obligations. If they think they are doing well by standing alone, then all of us should respect their wish and not pressurise them into joining hands with the rest of the opposition parties.////

this i totally agree, there is no point proceeding with a &quot;forced marriage&quot; i mean opposition unity. :P 

we know what happen when marriage hits the rocks right? :D

eh, Rachel, i hope you dun mind the dark humour. haa... :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel Zeng</p>
<p>post #85 on December 22nd, 2009 11.52 pm</p>
<p>////&#8230;.some from the other parties have responded positively to the idea of ‘opposition unity’. </p>
<p>Let’s hope that things will go well but of course, WP didn’t really respond (if I am not wrong). Then again, no obligations. If they think they are doing well by standing alone, then all of us should respect their wish and not pressurise them into joining hands with the rest of the opposition parties.////</p>
<p>this i totally agree, there is no point proceeding with a &#8220;forced marriage&#8221; i mean opposition unity. :P </p>
<p>we know what happen when marriage hits the rocks right? :D</p>
<p>eh, Rachel, i hope you dun mind the dark humour. haa&#8230; :D</p>
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