We also have a rule, I’m the exception to the rule, I’m 86… But I’m not doing the work; I’m just forecasting… The work is being done by younger people in their late 40s and 50s.
MM Lee Kuan Yew, on why younger politicians create better results for the country
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Remember he forecast that Singapore was entering golden period, then the market crash and Singapore was caught in a recession. So much for his forecasting powess. And to be paid millions for dollars for this is obscene, isn’t it?
Younger ones like Fredric Fanthome…look at what he wrote recently in P65 blog. Incredible!
The latest comments by Fanthome are a real classic. I am going to frame them and hang them in my toilet
…I am exception to the rule… No wonder you always win in court cases !!
“…But I’m not doing the work; I’m just forecasting… The work is being done by younger people in their late 40s and 50s.”
OMG, can have the cheek to say that he is not doing the work but others are doing his job. Then why is he paying himself millions! Shame on those who had voted those cheats in the govt!
I find his words ” I’m the exception to the rule, I’m 8″ most interesting.
simply amazing.
erm, should be 86 instead of 8. the html misinterpreted.
in a few days, we would be going into te year 2010.
Everyone will be older based on calendar year.
Happy birthday lee in advance for your 87th birthday in 2010.
If the millions he is getting is distributed, MANY lives can be improved.
hongjun
He is in the frontline but from the back which is more worse. Double stadard MM. Don’t said what is not right to said.
Guess modesty is the in thing for him. Or rather self praise is and international disgrace or in his case singaporean disgrace.
The gall and cheek of him to say he is the exception to the rule. Whta perhaps he is trying to say is singapore cannot survive without him. He has to be around. Perhaps he is looking for new organs to rplace all in his body so that he can live longer.
Hmm, thats a good thought. One wonders why the organe transplant bill went through so fast. Maybe they had him in mind for a total organ transplant. Singapore is world famous for being the “First” in everything , perhaps we will be the first have a person who has had a total organ trnsplant for the entire body!
Time will tell.
THE senile old man is letting the cat out of the bag.
He should not be paid that much.
Which top lawyer is still serving court cases at 80+?
what a joke!
Is he above the law ? Looks like he is the emperor because only the king has the exception to the rule. Very thick skin !!
‘Mr Lee noted the economic and political system in Japan is still based on seniority. And he said leaders there could learn from China, which requires its political leaders to step down when they turn 65′.
What a classic comment Minister Mental! Always lecture other leaders but not himself!!! I think he (MM) should be the first to step down and save the millions he helped himself.
Hypocrite indeed! You ain’t no God MM. Pls relinquish your power and let the younger leader take over before its too late! How about considering Dr CSJ for the PM post? I’m absolutely positive that Dr Chee will do a much better job and Dr Chee will definitely be ‘Cheaper, Faster & Better’!
Such arrogance !! Very thick-skin and senile.
Disgusting!!
he might as well say he is god….god of rubbish!
this is a double slap in the face of every singaporean
“… I’m not doing the work; I’m just forecasting…”
now that is what i call work.
Looking at the comments, I’ve no doubt that the PAP will rule for a 1000 years, if CSJ is the best the opposition can muster. All you could offer were whining and cries of injustice. The last time a group of people did that, they were massacred at Tiananmen Square. Some moral victory, eh?
Assuming CSJ comes into power, how would he react to the financial malaise? Ask for help from Sweden? Pray to god? What would he do when faced with the threat of war? Report the transgressor to NATO for breach of human rights? After they’ve invaded us? LOL. Stop dreaming, people. Stick with what you have now. It’s the lesser of two evils.
Oh dear. What a huge ego.
OriginalResonance. I agree with you about CSJ but he’s not the only alternative.
He is full of shit espeically now. Only exemption to the rule.
Any alternative will only be an alternative to CSJ. If CSJ isn’t bad enough, I can’t fathom how pathetic the alternatives would be. You will probably get some middle aged towkay with a large support of coffee shop ah peks, shouting “we want freedom!! wo yao zi you!!” That’s the best the opposition can come up with, if you ask me. Some maverick with more guts than gumption and no coherent policies other than emotive slogans, reveling in his real-life adaptation of William Wallace.
[i]We also have a rule, I’m the exception to the rule, I’m 86… But I’m not doing the work; I’m just forecasting… The work is being done by younger people in their late 40s and 50s.[/i]
what are the rules again? you don’t seem to have any rules applicable to YOU?
you deem what is YOUR weight in gold
you don’t actualLEE worked @ all..yet you still get to earn more than $3000/day
and if you says you are smart to have people intelligent people under 50s and 40s to work..please feel free to share how ole is the president..the senoir minister and the royal price YOUR son the prime minister? what about the sph/temasek inc CEOs.. how many of them below 50s?
Forgive my ignorance but what is stopping a strong opposition candidate from overthrowing the incumbent party?
“26) OriginalResonance on December 12th, 2009 3.24 pm
Forgive my ignorance but what is stopping a strong opposition candidate from overthrowing the incumbent party? ”
You are extremely ignorant and naive indeed.
This single innocuous sentence immediately invalidates everything you aforementioned because you simply fail to realize both sides of the coin.
Sure MM has toiled hard for us but I believe its time to ‘move on’ (like what his son always tells us these days) and stop basking in the glory and successes of yesteryear. The Soviet Union had mindblowing foresight too. They once forecasted the Berlin Wall to last another 100years.
Its little things that people say like these, and MM’s ‘highfalutin’ speech and Dear Fredrick’s beloved diatribe of Singaporeans that brighten up my day.
If i could print out and paste all these quotes all over my house walls, I’ll have a brand new set of wallpaper all round my home.
He believes he’s God, so of course none of the rules on earth applies to him. That’s also why he’s not ashamed to tell us that he does no work and yet is paid out-of-this world salary and perks.
//OriginalResonance
Yeah, we are in financial shit now.
After 40 years of hardwork, LKY is begging fts to help us out.
He didn’t go to UN or any international organisation for help.
He just let MHA grant work pemit like giving out tissues.
This is the worst of the whatever evil.
“Forgive my ignorance but what is stopping a strong opposition candidate from overthrowing the incumbent party?”
“All you could offer were whining and cries of injustice. The last time a group of people did that, they were massacred at Tiananmen Square. Some moral victory, eh?”
Guess what ? You have provided the answer yourself.
To: (30) Why our MM still want to be around? Let the next generation to their job. Step down now before we vote him out. He just refused to let go, worried his son will be push out from the cabinet. Think again!
“Why is CSJ still alive? Or is it because he does not fit into the definition of “strong”?”
What do you think that he should be ? Singapore is not a basket case and there are good enough number of people with eyes to see.
A straight road paved with nails and someone knows too well not to walk on it. Do you call him weak not to walk on it or strong not to fall into a trap.
I only wanna know if there’s anything stopping legitimate, qualified opposition candidates from contesting in elections.
Nvm. I’ll elucidate my question for all of you. What will happen when a majority of the electorate votes for the opposition?
Allowing legitimate, qualified opposition candidates to contest in elections is only one part of the whole electioneering process.
The rest of the process is also important and this needs no further elaboration.
Ulimately, one still has to satisfy the definition of legitimacy and qualification and probably you should know who is actually defining it.
“I’m just forecasting… The work is being done by younger people in their late 40s and 50s.”
The only thing that he forecast 100% accurate is that Dr Chee will land up in jail and never enter election again as long as he still alive, and those ensuring dirty work is being done by younger people in their late 40s and 50s who are the police, ISD and military bootlickers who benefit from Old fart’s favour.
@30
You provide the question, “Forgive my ignorance but what is stopping a strong opposition candidate from overthrowing the incumbent party? ”
and you followed up with “No answer?”
Since you know that there is no answer, why ask a rhetorical question. Knowledgeable persons like you have so much to offer and yet so little to provide.
Such a tease, you illicit the feelings of suspense and yet fail to deliver the answer.
But I think that, you know the answer. Even Fredric Fanthom knows the answer. It has to be the defamation suits! There is also the lingering ghostly aura of the feared int3rnal s3curity act.
“Any alternative would be better to CSJ”. This is an over generalization on your part. Now why is your yardstick of comparison to another alternative opposition is CSJ? I am tempted to post no answer to that question, but being inquisitive I shall give you the chance to answer.
And if you are not still in your well, step out into the common world. The consensus is not about wanting freedom, is about wanting a better life. You will not find coffeeshops filled with ah peks braying for freedom, instead you would find them grousing that life is hard etc.
“Assuming CSJ comes into power, how would he react to the financial malaise? Ask for help from Sweden? Pray to god? What would he do when faced with the threat of war? Report the transgressor to NATO for breach of human rights? After they’ve invaded us? LOL. Stop dreaming, people. Stick with what you have now. It’s the lesser of two evils.”
Likewise, to you, PAP is now in power, how can they resolve the financial malaise? What would PAP do when faced with threat of war? What would the PAP do in times of crisis? Stop dreaming OR. You can leave Singapore if you choose to, its the quitter mentality.
[i]What would he do when faced with the threat of war? Report the transgressor to NATO for breach of human rights? After they’ve invaded us? LOL. Stop dreaming, people. Stick with what you have now.[/i]
indeed well placed..you meant when SARs was aroun leekuanyew trottled to london with his ailin sick wife who had to fly back in a converted flyin sia air ambulance?
when the pig virus was aroun..he onced again was in somwehere in the middle east sittin on camels’ ass with the saME AILIN WIFE WITH HIM AGAIN…
and where was his son durin that same era/periods?
in sinapore? dreamed on…want to talk BIG garang.. act liked ONE…..
you mthink in times of invasion from foreign aggressors..leekuanyew & familLEE would be aroun reloadin YOUR sar22 rifles? you played too many Counter Strikes games..don’t you?
I guess he wants one of his grandsons to take over as the present PM is not competent.
OriginalResonance
I am confused.
How in the world is going from “I only wanna know if there’s anything stopping legitimate, qualified opposition candidates from contesting in elections.” to “What will happen when a majority of the electorate votes for the opposition?” defined as elucidating?
It is neither more clear nor less ambiguous. In fact they are totally different questions.
I am confused as to if you actually know the meanings of the words you are typing.
What is stopping legitimate, qualified opposition leaders from contesting?
Need i point you to Operation Coldstore, the examples of Francis Seow, JBJ, Tan Liang Hong and this may not be too relevant to the case of the Opposition, but the case of Ong Teng Cheong, our only elected President who for some reason was not given a state funeral surely gives some inkling to how the PAP treats opponents. Even the much demonised CSJ’s treatment by the PAP i’m sure you would agree goes beyond any realm of decency.
“What will happen when a majority of the electorate votes for the opposition?”
Well then:
Finally we may get a government that stays less in their ivory tower looking down on us peasants.
Finally we may get a government that knows that they will have to account to the people and quotes like “People do want to know, there is curiosity, it is a matter of public interest. That is not sufficient reason to disclose information. It is not sufficient that there be curiosity and interest that you want to disclose information.” will not cut it.
Finally we may get a government that finds an alternative way to help the poor rather than increase GST.
Finally we may get a government that treats it’s citizens better other than just pay lip service.
Finally we may get a government that does not view a single person as an assembly.
There is so much more. You must not buy into the PAP’s threat that without them Singapore will go down the toilet. Without the PAP, all government bodies staffed with capable civil servants will still go on, private enterprise will still continue, Singaporeans will still work hard like our forefathers before.
A large part of Singapore’s success is down to the work of common Singaporeans. Not just down to the PAP.
MM loves to give advice to everyone before he dies, to US, China, Japan, Russia etc. He looks down on everyone. Maybe he should write a book of prophecies.
Our 3G army is not even tested. We depend of foreign companies, labor, food, water etc. He brags too much. He talks as if he has nuclear weapons capabilities. Can he build a satellite or launch a rocket to the moon or send a PAP general to space via US, China, Japan, Russia, Europe etc.
His men can’t even deal with flooding. I think he should pay more attention to ASEAN. Don’t be so proud mah. Make some friends with your neighbors.
The problem with online public spaces that carry majority voices is that we have all these paid cyber ‘moderators’ like OriginalResonance, mostly psychology graduates, to hop in at times to push their agendas. And to use cognitive psychology (e.g. Wason selection task) to corner readers into submission.
OR, please…I am sick of the Original Recipe. Can I have BK flame-grilled?
After reading this quote somehow i get this vision of our revered MM sitting in a darkened room, on a brass tripod, the legs of which were angled at the same degree as the Egyptian pyramids.
A brass bowl filled with steaming water and pungent oils in front of him. He then empties his soul, brain and heart of all care and attains a state of tranquillity and stillness of mind.
In this trance suddenly he raves – probably in a form of ecstatic speech – and then his ravings are “translated” by the by younger people in their late 40s and 50s into elegant hexameters, or since English is our official language – iambic pentameter rather.
From this, government policy is shaped.
Our MM truly is this century’s or in fact any century’s foremost seer and prophet.
(Disclaimer – This is a work of fiction. Any resemblance to actual persons, living or dead, is unintentional and purely coincidental. Or Please don’t sue me)
I’m keen to find out who wrote negative remarks and who worte the positive remarks on MM.. The ones that has see Singapore struggled and made it today are th eones who wrote the positives… Shame that the new generation didn’t know that they are enjoying the sweat and blood of their forefathers and keep thinking that what they are having is their entitlement. Wake up!!!
was just wondering.. since the MM has already earned millions from Singapore.. and he is already so old… why dont he just retire and be a father and advisor to his son…. that way, he will be a better father (not saying he is not a good father).. and we can use the millions that he is earning to help the poor..
47) kiasu.n.kiasi on December 12th, 2009 6.36 pm
I’m keen to find out who wrote negative remarks and who worte the positive remarks on MM.. The ones that has see Singapore struggled and made it today are th eones who wrote the positives… Shame that the new generation didn’t know that they are enjoying the sweat and blood of their forefathers and keep thinking that what they are having is their entitlement. Wake up!!!
Some old people from LKY era are still picking up cardboard, soft drink cans and trash, and are still being forced to compete with Foreign Talents. Must be faster, cheaper and better. They are also not given extra money to eat at hawker centre by younger PAP minister.
47) kiasu.n.kiasi on December 12th, 2009 6.36 pm
“The ones that has see Singapore struggled and made it today are th eones who wrote the positives…(about MM)”
What are you trying to say here? Are you saying the success our forefathers who worked and struggled so hard for is entirely given by MM Lee? Why do you ascribe such omnipotence to the man?
I can only say – the people who run our National Education have done a great job on you.
@46
ohnani, i fear you have been indoctrinated in the mythologies of the western world, albeit in the middle east they are still relatively west from us. Here with asian values, the only approach for forecasting is still rooted in the eastern methodology eg I-ching.
You are one for meddling in our tried and tested prediction method, assisted by western ideas. How shall the great one, who is the exception to the rule, deal out His punishment for you. Haven’t you realized that our city is an exception to the other westernized democracies! We are a united one party city state that will not be subjugated by these westernized societies who have the audacity to impose their own structure of beliefs so as to change us. Even though we are wrong, we are still an exception to the rule that there is a need to apologize.
Ohnani, the picture you have painted is apt, but the representation is quite rightly out of touch. To correct it, you would have to give it an asiatic touch so as to nullify the western leanings that you are showing.
//OriginalResonance
// I only wanna know if there’s anything stopping legitimate, qualified opposition candidates from contesting in elections.
There are at least 2 reasons stopping legitimate qualified opposition candidates from contesting in elections:
1. fear of telling the truth
2. fear of being bankrupted because of 1.
//20) OriginalResonance on December 12th, 2009 2.26 pm Looking at the comments, I’ve no doubt that the PAP will rule for a 1000 years
That is impossible because lky or hc would have bankrupted us by then.
Ungodlying playing god – thats the exception hor…….