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		<title>By: Alessia F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alessia F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason why Turkey has been voted the top of ten holiday destinations by British holidaymakers for 2009 is simple. It allows you to save money thank to the exchange on foreign currency. Foreign exchange rates can variate widely, the tip is to buy in advance the foreign currency, so you know how much you holiday is going to cost you. Currently &lt;a href=&quot;www.exchangerate.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ExchangeRates&lt;/a&gt; are quite favourable and this make Turkey one of the cheapest destinations of the Mediterranean. It is certainly one of the most stunning destination in the Mediterranean region, rich of history and traditions. This is the right time to plan and book your holiday there. Planning in advance might give you access to good deals and discounts. There are breathtaking landscapes and miles of sandy beaches such as Butterfly Valley Beach (the only accessible by boat) or the impressive Kidrak Beach. Göcek, a small southern town in Muğla’s Fethiye area, is a residential area mainly concentrated along the coastal line called Göcek Bay inside the Fethiye Gulf that is being rediscovered by many tourists for its natural beauty and great boating options. Surrounded by high mountains on three sides, Göcek is a unique, obscure retreat. Göcek has to offer to its visitors a number of marvelous bays and small islands, the most famous ones being Gobun or Mağaralı Bay, Cleopatra Hamamı, and the Tersane and Yassı islands, located between Kapıdağ Peninsula and the Göcek Gulf.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason why Turkey has been voted the top of ten holiday destinations by British holidaymakers for 2009 is simple. It allows you to save money thank to the exchange on foreign currency. Foreign exchange rates can variate widely, the tip is to buy in advance the foreign currency, so you know how much you holiday is going to cost you. Currently <a href="www.exchangerate.com/" rel="nofollow">ExchangeRates</a> are quite favourable and this make Turkey one of the cheapest destinations of the Mediterranean. It is certainly one of the most stunning destination in the Mediterranean region, rich of history and traditions. This is the right time to plan and book your holiday there. Planning in advance might give you access to good deals and discounts. There are breathtaking landscapes and miles of sandy beaches such as Butterfly Valley Beach (the only accessible by boat) or the impressive Kidrak Beach. Göcek, a small southern town in Muğla’s Fethiye area, is a residential area mainly concentrated along the coastal line called Göcek Bay inside the Fethiye Gulf that is being rediscovered by many tourists for its natural beauty and great boating options. Surrounded by high mountains on three sides, Göcek is a unique, obscure retreat. Göcek has to offer to its visitors a number of marvelous bays and small islands, the most famous ones being Gobun or Mağaralı Bay, Cleopatra Hamamı, and the Tersane and Yassı islands, located between Kapıdağ Peninsula and the Göcek Gulf.<br />
In addition, there is a wide range of outdoor activities, there is plenty to do for all the family members! Furthermore, if you want to relax and make the most of your time there are hotels and resorts that now offer very competitive rates, all inclusive packages and delicious food, as well as excellent service and comforts. Take a look at <a href="http://www.goldtrail.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">CheapAccommodationsinTurkey</a>, and start planning your holiday today</p>
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		<title>By: gchn83</title>
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		<dc:creator>gchn83</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 02:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The difference between the number of people considered to be poor in Singapore and the number of people who&#039;ve received or are receiving financial assistance could be due to a lack of awareness of financial schemes as well as a lack of knowledge of how to apply for these schemes. Also, we have to consider that the poor may choose to receive help from religious groups, charity organizations and friends, etc., rather than from the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference between the number of people considered to be poor in Singapore and the number of people who&#8217;ve received or are receiving financial assistance could be due to a lack of awareness of financial schemes as well as a lack of knowledge of how to apply for these schemes. Also, we have to consider that the poor may choose to receive help from religious groups, charity organizations and friends, etc., rather than from the government.</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 52</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 52</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 02:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &quot;Are the poor better off after getting the extra help from the GST increase?&quot; Leong Sze Hian [...]</description>
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		<title>By: noiseMaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>noiseMaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 09:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Trust between the government and the people is the key to everything. If a government says thing that does not match what is really happening, the trust is gone and it is extremely hard to mend.

No amount of sweet talk or lessons can makeup the difference. It is not that the people does not know the difficulty of governing nor does not wish the country to succeed and prosper. They are worried and suffer in silent. It is a race where a lot of people are being left behind, they will feel the race is unfair.

Let&#039;s hope those PAP MP or ex MP, who does not agree with the way PAP is now operating could come out of PAP and rise up for your people once again. They could form a new party or join opposition party to take on the PAP for goodness sake.

Singapore needs alternate government, ready to step into the governing shoe. Now the wind of change is likely to fill the air, those who could make it may just miss it and next time it won&#039;t be so easy anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trust between the government and the people is the key to everything. If a government says thing that does not match what is really happening, the trust is gone and it is extremely hard to mend.</p>
<p>No amount of sweet talk or lessons can makeup the difference. It is not that the people does not know the difficulty of governing nor does not wish the country to succeed and prosper. They are worried and suffer in silent. It is a race where a lot of people are being left behind, they will feel the race is unfair.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope those PAP MP or ex MP, who does not agree with the way PAP is now operating could come out of PAP and rise up for your people once again. They could form a new party or join opposition party to take on the PAP for goodness sake.</p>
<p>Singapore needs alternate government, ready to step into the governing shoe. Now the wind of change is likely to fill the air, those who could make it may just miss it and next time it won&#8217;t be so easy anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
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		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 06:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, GST does not really harm the poor, since they get back what they paid in GST credits. The people it really affects are middle income, rich and tourists. 

The middle income is affected, but if we think of the relatively small % of consumption of our spending (we are afterall a savings country) and offsetted by the GST credits, the effects are considerably less.

The main people it affects are the rich and tourist.
Rich because we are doing a sleight of hand- we reduce income tax to make us look attractive but we tax them when they wine and dine in sg. 

But most of all, it is the tourist that pay more. As Singapore moves towards a more service orientated economy, gearing up for teh tourism sector, we need to raise revenue from here too. In teh past, they don&#039;t pay any taxes. But now , with GST they have to contribute taxes too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, GST does not really harm the poor, since they get back what they paid in GST credits. The people it really affects are middle income, rich and tourists. </p>
<p>The middle income is affected, but if we think of the relatively small % of consumption of our spending (we are afterall a savings country) and offsetted by the GST credits, the effects are considerably less.</p>
<p>The main people it affects are the rich and tourist.<br />
Rich because we are doing a sleight of hand- we reduce income tax to make us look attractive but we tax them when they wine and dine in sg. </p>
<p>But most of all, it is the tourist that pay more. As Singapore moves towards a more service orientated economy, gearing up for teh tourism sector, we need to raise revenue from here too. In teh past, they don&#8217;t pay any taxes. But now , with GST they have to contribute taxes too.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Dec 2009 00:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#59, kiasu.n.kiasi

          The retirement age of SAF officers has been extended to 50 and after they retired, they will get at least $500k for retirement,. For those under Military Domain Expert Scheme, the retirement age is 60. Hence, it is not justifiable to say that becos the SAF has a short career span, they should be paid more, since now their career span is now similar to civilians. However, their pay is still much more than the civilian sectors! The more they are paid, the more the civilians has to fork out the taxes to pay them in the form of higher GST! 

If you said that many of the SAF regulars struggled after they retired, you ought to know that many Singaporeans are already struggling even before they retired! At least the SAF regulars still has their hundreds of thousands of dollars in their bank account even though they said they struggled!

 The defence of Singapore will not be weaken even if the pay of SAF regulars are cut, becos the NSmen and NSF&#039;s commitment to defence of Singapore will be strengthen, becos with a lower cost of living with a reduction of GST or channelling of public funds to healthcare and education, Singaporeans will feel the worth of defending a country they can be proud to call theirs! Now, the foreigners had already captured the jobs and HDB flats of Singaporeans and the SAF cannot defend the state. The threat to natioal security is not in the military dimension. The threat to national security is now in the economic, in the form of high GST, lost of jobs and HDB flats to foreigners! Also, the threat of terrorism and H1N1 has also posed internal and public health threat to Singaporeans! That&#039;s why the Reform Party is right that defence spending should be cut, so as to reduce taxes, and spend more on healthcare and education and restrict foreign workers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#59, kiasu.n.kiasi</p>
<p>          The retirement age of SAF officers has been extended to 50 and after they retired, they will get at least $500k for retirement,. For those under Military Domain Expert Scheme, the retirement age is 60. Hence, it is not justifiable to say that becos the SAF has a short career span, they should be paid more, since now their career span is now similar to civilians. However, their pay is still much more than the civilian sectors! The more they are paid, the more the civilians has to fork out the taxes to pay them in the form of higher GST! </p>
<p>If you said that many of the SAF regulars struggled after they retired, you ought to know that many Singaporeans are already struggling even before they retired! At least the SAF regulars still has their hundreds of thousands of dollars in their bank account even though they said they struggled!</p>
<p> The defence of Singapore will not be weaken even if the pay of SAF regulars are cut, becos the NSmen and NSF&#8217;s commitment to defence of Singapore will be strengthen, becos with a lower cost of living with a reduction of GST or channelling of public funds to healthcare and education, Singaporeans will feel the worth of defending a country they can be proud to call theirs! Now, the foreigners had already captured the jobs and HDB flats of Singaporeans and the SAF cannot defend the state. The threat to natioal security is not in the military dimension. The threat to national security is now in the economic, in the form of high GST, lost of jobs and HDB flats to foreigners! Also, the threat of terrorism and H1N1 has also posed internal and public health threat to Singaporeans! That&#8217;s why the Reform Party is right that defence spending should be cut, so as to reduce taxes, and spend more on healthcare and education and restrict foreign workers!</p>
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		<title>By: kiasu.n.kiasi</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiasu.n.kiasi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 11:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SAF Regulars - lower pay... Do you know that the career lifespan is in the Army is shorter than may of you along the streets... Many after they retire, they struggled. If you do not pay a little more, you do not get good people joining and our Defence will be weaken. If you still don&#039;t feel shiok, then join the SAF as a Regular. If you are one with the attitude, I&#039;m sure you will excel. Unless you are one who likes to sit and type in TOC silly remarks and exposing yourselves and telling people that you are empty  in the head! 

Poor getting help? Have you ever meet the self - claimed poor Singaporean who are always asking for help? Some are real lazy... Some are still searching for their brain (quit their job because they just simply dislike the boss, and yet has a family to feed), and expecting the Govt to feed them... The entire Nation will only improve if everyone strive to improve themsleves... Go study the subject called economics. It says the wealth of a country = productive of the people (not Govt giving money). Only when every Singaporean strive to improve themselves then they will get their quality in life.

Also have you got any knowledge that in some european countries / Australia etc; has much much higher tax that where you are living in? Are you only looking at their social welfare and benefits? At lease in Singapore you work hard, you get back from your blood and sweat... In those countries (in which many of you are trying to ask for - having great social welfare / benefit - i.e. Jobless you get allowance, wonderful elderly care etc.), they can possibly tax you up to 50%... Wake up! Can you get motivated people in the workforce if half their salary goes to the bums who sits at home and remain jobless and waiting for the Government to feed... Sit back and have a deep thought about this. Merry Christmas!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SAF Regulars &#8211; lower pay&#8230; Do you know that the career lifespan is in the Army is shorter than may of you along the streets&#8230; Many after they retire, they struggled. If you do not pay a little more, you do not get good people joining and our Defence will be weaken. If you still don&#8217;t feel shiok, then join the SAF as a Regular. If you are one with the attitude, I&#8217;m sure you will excel. Unless you are one who likes to sit and type in TOC silly remarks and exposing yourselves and telling people that you are empty  in the head! </p>
<p>Poor getting help? Have you ever meet the self &#8211; claimed poor Singaporean who are always asking for help? Some are real lazy&#8230; Some are still searching for their brain (quit their job because they just simply dislike the boss, and yet has a family to feed), and expecting the Govt to feed them&#8230; The entire Nation will only improve if everyone strive to improve themsleves&#8230; Go study the subject called economics. It says the wealth of a country = productive of the people (not Govt giving money). Only when every Singaporean strive to improve themselves then they will get their quality in life.</p>
<p>Also have you got any knowledge that in some european countries / Australia etc; has much much higher tax that where you are living in? Are you only looking at their social welfare and benefits? At lease in Singapore you work hard, you get back from your blood and sweat&#8230; In those countries (in which many of you are trying to ask for &#8211; having great social welfare / benefit &#8211; i.e. Jobless you get allowance, wonderful elderly care etc.), they can possibly tax you up to 50%&#8230; Wake up! Can you get motivated people in the workforce if half their salary goes to the bums who sits at home and remain jobless and waiting for the Government to feed&#8230; Sit back and have a deep thought about this. Merry Christmas!!!</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 22 Dec 2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 22 Dec 2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Discourse - TOC: Tilting the playing field in favour of lower income group? - Ian On The Red Dot: Conflicts Of Interest – And Making That Extra Dollar - The Temasek Review: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Humble Citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Humble Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tilt the playing field in favour of the lower income group? Since when our PM 
became so generous and considerate? There is no playing field for the poor to play with in the first place, never mind the tilting and all the bulls!
Take for example the plight of the disabled, they have been fighting for the transport concession for 10 long years! Mind you they are asking for CONCESSION and not FREE, and yet what have you as PM done to this group of 
underprivileged? Are they not on your priority list? They have been waiting for not 1 not 2 but 10 long years! If this group of people is not under your radar, we see the poor in Singapore better not to pin so much hope for whatever promise you handed out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tilt the playing field in favour of the lower income group? Since when our PM<br />
became so generous and considerate? There is no playing field for the poor to play with in the first place, never mind the tilting and all the bulls!<br />
Take for example the plight of the disabled, they have been fighting for the transport concession for 10 long years! Mind you they are asking for CONCESSION and not FREE, and yet what have you as PM done to this group of<br />
underprivileged? Are they not on your priority list? They have been waiting for not 1 not 2 but 10 long years! If this group of people is not under your radar, we see the poor in Singapore better not to pin so much hope for whatever promise you handed out!</p>
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		<title>By: Balahguling Spongbongin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Balahguling Spongbongin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When foreigners cite the place as having Transparent system does it mean
the Answers to ALL questions from &quot;F1 or F9&quot; and what are posted here are already publicly available somewhere out there?

Foreigners, over to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When foreigners cite the place as having Transparent system does it mean<br />
the Answers to ALL questions from &#8220;F1 or F9&#8243; and what are posted here are already publicly available somewhere out there?</p>
<p>Foreigners, over to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Hum Chee Peng</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hum Chee Peng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 03:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;54) Die-Hard Singaporean on December 23rd, 2009 8.50 am The per capita GDP for Singapore, from the Singapore Department of Statistics&quot;

oh! that&#039;s where these wonderful numbers come from.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;54) Die-Hard Singaporean on December 23rd, 2009 8.50 am The per capita GDP for Singapore, from the Singapore Department of Statistics&#8221;</p>
<p>oh! that&#8217;s where these wonderful numbers come from.</p>
<p>hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Agents Provocateur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agents Provocateur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally awesome how he can describe a regressive tax as &#039;for the poor&#039;. I might as well don a tiara and ask a battery of television cameras for World Peace. Reminds me of this fine image:

http://img.moronail.net/img/8/5/1085.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally awesome how he can describe a regressive tax as &#8216;for the poor&#8217;. I might as well don a tiara and ask a battery of television cameras for World Peace. Reminds me of this fine image:</p>
<p><a href="http://img.moronail.net/img/8/5/1085.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://img.moronail.net/img/8/5/1085.jpg</a></p>
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		<title>By: Die-Hard Singaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Die-Hard Singaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The per capita GDP for Singapore, from the Singapore Department of Statistics, is shown below, for the ten years to 2008. The per capita GDP in 2008 was S$53,192 ie the total wealth created in Singapore in 2008 amounted to $53,192 per person (man, woman and child, AND all foreign workers – everybody). If we took the foreign workers out of the equation the per capita figure would be       $78, 330 ie Singapore is a SUPER rich country, not just rich. 

1998  $35,115  
1999  $35,371 
 2000 $39,683 
 2001 $37,088 
 2002 $37,874
 2003 $39,463 
 2004 $44,487 
 2005 $47,192 
 2006 $50,244 
 2007 $54,834 
 2008 $53,192 

So, where does the wealth created go? Food for thought!! 

In 2005 there were 4,013 households with 4 or 5 persons (or 18,000 persons using the average of 4.5) living in 1 and 2 room HDB flats. There were 708 households with 6 or more persons (or 4,248 using just the minimum of 6) living in 1 and 2 room HDB flats. All this in a country with a per capita GDP of $53,192.

And, as Sze Hian points out, over 220,000 households (or nearly 800,000 persons, or nearly a quarter of the resident population, using the average household size of 3.5) are in HOUSEHOLDS which earn less than $2,000 a month. One can almost be certain that the proportion of citizen households earning less than $2,000 a month would be higher than that of the permanent resident household.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The per capita GDP for Singapore, from the Singapore Department of Statistics, is shown below, for the ten years to 2008. The per capita GDP in 2008 was S$53,192 ie the total wealth created in Singapore in 2008 amounted to $53,192 per person (man, woman and child, AND all foreign workers – everybody). If we took the foreign workers out of the equation the per capita figure would be       $78, 330 ie Singapore is a SUPER rich country, not just rich. </p>
<p>1998  $35,115<br />
1999  $35,371<br />
 2000 $39,683<br />
 2001 $37,088<br />
 2002 $37,874<br />
 2003 $39,463<br />
 2004 $44,487<br />
 2005 $47,192<br />
 2006 $50,244<br />
 2007 $54,834<br />
 2008 $53,192 </p>
<p>So, where does the wealth created go? Food for thought!! </p>
<p>In 2005 there were 4,013 households with 4 or 5 persons (or 18,000 persons using the average of 4.5) living in 1 and 2 room HDB flats. There were 708 households with 6 or more persons (or 4,248 using just the minimum of 6) living in 1 and 2 room HDB flats. All this in a country with a per capita GDP of $53,192.</p>
<p>And, as Sze Hian points out, over 220,000 households (or nearly 800,000 persons, or nearly a quarter of the resident population, using the average household size of 3.5) are in HOUSEHOLDS which earn less than $2,000 a month. One can almost be certain that the proportion of citizen households earning less than $2,000 a month would be higher than that of the permanent resident household.</p>
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		<title>By: carolthestupidbimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>carolthestupidbimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[i]Carol on December 21st, 2009 7.20 pm Don’t buy lor.
Buy essentials lor.
Schools must have, transport system must have, polyclinics must have, public servants must have, flats must have, water must have . . . . . .
Who pays? Santa Claus?
Taxation lor.
Hey Singapore got no oil, mineral resources, no plantations, etc., leh. Just the PAP leading 4.5 million people lor for the pst 45 years.

Use brans lor.[/i]

so you never shopped @ all
without a doubt you are a 101% splintster..
too ugy to get married or is your lips  too WIDE?
you here says singapoor got no minerals sands or salts
yet the ministers paid themselves more than 5 digits/month...
you didn&#039;t openned your big fat  lips and shout why must you ministers have so high salaries?
than again a bimbo liked you sureLEE have no brain @ all</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[i]Carol on December 21st, 2009 7.20 pm Don’t buy lor.<br />
Buy essentials lor.<br />
Schools must have, transport system must have, polyclinics must have, public servants must have, flats must have, water must have . . . . . .<br />
Who pays? Santa Claus?<br />
Taxation lor.<br />
Hey Singapore got no oil, mineral resources, no plantations, etc., leh. Just the PAP leading 4.5 million people lor for the pst 45 years.</p>
<p>Use brans lor.[/i]</p>
<p>so you never shopped @ all<br />
without a doubt you are a 101% splintster..<br />
too ugy to get married or is your lips  too WIDE?<br />
you here says singapoor got no minerals sands or salts<br />
yet the ministers paid themselves more than 5 digits/month&#8230;<br />
you didn&#8217;t openned your big fat  lips and shout why must you ministers have so high salaries?<br />
than again a bimbo liked you sureLEE have no brain @ all</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We the citizens are the &quot;natural resources&quot;. We are the &quot;cash cow&quot;. They &quot;milk&quot; us from GST, HDB, COE, ERP, IRAS, RADIO/TV license, Property tax, Income tax, SC&amp;C, Utilities. Now go up roof garden at Pinnacle also &quot;milk&quot;. &quot;Milk&quot; already milk go where? Help China built schools, roads, give China Chinese student money to study here. While our students here can hardly afford to buy books, uniforms and even food during recess time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We the citizens are the &#8220;natural resources&#8221;. We are the &#8220;cash cow&#8221;. They &#8220;milk&#8221; us from GST, HDB, COE, ERP, IRAS, RADIO/TV license, Property tax, Income tax, SC&amp;C, Utilities. Now go up roof garden at Pinnacle also &#8220;milk&#8221;. &#8220;Milk&#8221; already milk go where? Help China built schools, roads, give China Chinese student money to study here. While our students here can hardly afford to buy books, uniforms and even food during recess time.</p>
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		<title>By: Shake head</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shake head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 10:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Singaporekia @34

////&quot;Govt should focus on the economy and focus on how to make everyone contribute more, so increasing the GST from 5% to 7% is not at all bad.&quot;///

- Is that all a Govt needs to do?  Just open the land (or legs) for investors (or pimps) to come and grow the economy, and just make you &amp; I contribute more. You conveniently omitted to mention contribute to who or for what?  Don&#039;t you understand this article is about the shortcoming in distributing the revenue?  Yes, increase the wealth of the nation but for who to enjoy?  Who?

///&quot;A good govt should try to make the pool of poor smaller and not trying to help the poor directly by making them pay less for everything.&quot;///

- Your simple mind must have told you that poverty equates laziness.  Can poverty not be due to old age without employment and no pension, disability and not able to work, illness and not able to work, young infant children who needs 24/7 care, etc?  With zero income and dependents to care for, even making them pay less for everything is too much!

- Be careful what you wish for as it might be your family who need handout next unless you are one of the Mini-stars.  No one can guarantee you will never fall ill or become disabled or have intellectually disadvantaged children unless you are God.  

///&quot;Those with an opposition mentality always want the poor to pay less and if the pool of poor is getting bigger they get more votes, the poor will be pushed to a corner by the opposition eventually if they get to rule.&quot;

- I want the poor to be genuinely helped. Does it mean I have an oppo mentality? The poor are already &#039;pushed to a corner&#039;, worse they are condemned by the PAP.  For the poor to vote the opposition, it is a no brainer - they are not risking anything my dear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Singaporekia @34</p>
<p>////&#8221;Govt should focus on the economy and focus on how to make everyone contribute more, so increasing the GST from 5% to 7% is not at all bad.&#8221;///</p>
<p>- Is that all a Govt needs to do?  Just open the land (or legs) for investors (or pimps) to come and grow the economy, and just make you &amp; I contribute more. You conveniently omitted to mention contribute to who or for what?  Don&#8217;t you understand this article is about the shortcoming in distributing the revenue?  Yes, increase the wealth of the nation but for who to enjoy?  Who?</p>
<p>///&#8221;A good govt should try to make the pool of poor smaller and not trying to help the poor directly by making them pay less for everything.&#8221;///</p>
<p>- Your simple mind must have told you that poverty equates laziness.  Can poverty not be due to old age without employment and no pension, disability and not able to work, illness and not able to work, young infant children who needs 24/7 care, etc?  With zero income and dependents to care for, even making them pay less for everything is too much!</p>
<p>- Be careful what you wish for as it might be your family who need handout next unless you are one of the Mini-stars.  No one can guarantee you will never fall ill or become disabled or have intellectually disadvantaged children unless you are God.  </p>
<p>///&#8221;Those with an opposition mentality always want the poor to pay less and if the pool of poor is getting bigger they get more votes, the poor will be pushed to a corner by the opposition eventually if they get to rule.&#8221;</p>
<p>- I want the poor to be genuinely helped. Does it mean I have an oppo mentality? The poor are already &#8216;pushed to a corner&#8217;, worse they are condemned by the PAP.  For the poor to vote the opposition, it is a no brainer &#8211; they are not risking anything my dear.</p>
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		<title>By: saturn bitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>saturn bitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>40) FaceTheFact on December 21st, 2009 11.47 pm 
&quot;...Germany does have welfare for needy, Germany Mercedes is cheap (E250 cost €44K (~S$88K) while cost S$250K in Sg).&quot;

talking about cost of thingies ....

let me put things in perspective:

Cost of Brand NEW only, Made-in-Germany 
Porsche Boxster, bought in UK,  costs this much : 74,586 SGD   
(as of today&#039;s exchange rate)    
(reference : http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/porsche/porsche-boxster-guide.asp)

vis-a-vis

Honda City, bought in singapore, costs this much : 73,500 SGD    

(reference: sgcarmart http://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_listing.php?MOD=&amp;PR1=70&amp;PR2=80&amp;VT=Any&amp;DT=Any&amp;imageField.x=32&amp;imageField.y=12)

Is it not great? Honda city is cheaper!  

But compare :

Honda City : built in thailand, 1.5 litres, horsepower ?? heeee
Porsche : built in Germany, 2.9litres, horsepower 255 bhp (super car !)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>40) FaceTheFact on December 21st, 2009 11.47 pm<br />
&#8220;&#8230;Germany does have welfare for needy, Germany Mercedes is cheap (E250 cost €44K (~S$88K) while cost S$250K in Sg).&#8221;</p>
<p>talking about cost of thingies &#8230;.</p>
<p>let me put things in perspective:</p>
<p>Cost of Brand NEW only, Made-in-Germany<br />
Porsche Boxster, bought in UK,  costs this much : 74,586 SGD<br />
(as of today&#8217;s exchange rate)<br />
(reference : <a href="http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/porsche/porsche-boxster-guide.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.carpages.co.uk/guide/porsche/porsche-boxster-guide.asp</a>)</p>
<p>vis-a-vis</p>
<p>Honda City, bought in singapore, costs this much : 73,500 SGD    </p>
<p>(reference: sgcarmart <a href="http://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_listing.php?MOD=&#038;PR1=70&#038;PR2=80&#038;VT=Any&#038;DT=Any&#038;imageField.x=32&#038;imageField.y=12" rel="nofollow">http://www.sgcarmart.com/new_cars/newcars_listing.php?MOD=&#038;PR1=70&#038;PR2=80&#038;VT=Any&#038;DT=Any&#038;imageField.x=32&#038;imageField.y=12</a>)</p>
<p>Is it not great? Honda city is cheaper!  </p>
<p>But compare :</p>
<p>Honda City : built in thailand, 1.5 litres, horsepower ?? heeee<br />
Porsche : built in Germany, 2.9litres, horsepower 255 bhp (super car !)</p>
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		<title>By: Fortune-teller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fortune-teller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the property bubble were to burst, I wonder how many of those who bought at high prices will end up in negative equity? 

And if for some unfortunate reason some of these owners were to lose their jobs as well, how can they downgrade to a smaller unit with an outstanding loan that hasn&#039;t been paid off?

Does HDB have any contigency plan for such a scenario? Or will they be laughing all the way to the bank instead and say that these people went in with their &#039;eyes&#039; open?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the property bubble were to burst, I wonder how many of those who bought at high prices will end up in negative equity? </p>
<p>And if for some unfortunate reason some of these owners were to lose their jobs as well, how can they downgrade to a smaller unit with an outstanding loan that hasn&#8217;t been paid off?</p>
<p>Does HDB have any contigency plan for such a scenario? Or will they be laughing all the way to the bank instead and say that these people went in with their &#8216;eyes&#8217; open?</p>
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		<title>By: lim</title>
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		<dc:creator>lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@23) Anon. on December 21st, 2009 9.19 pm

I saw that episode too, and when the mother said that when she went to hdb toa payoh for assistant, the staff there were rude, and keep telling her to get a job... They don&#039;t understand that she needs to take care of her 2 intellectually disadvantaged children.. 

So much for 1 million smiles and compassion..

Well, one thing I am sure is that now that mediacorp has screened it,  the grassroots will be queuing up to help the family..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@23) Anon. on December 21st, 2009 9.19 pm</p>
<p>I saw that episode too, and when the mother said that when she went to hdb toa payoh for assistant, the staff there were rude, and keep telling her to get a job&#8230; They don&#8217;t understand that she needs to take care of her 2 intellectually disadvantaged children.. </p>
<p>So much for 1 million smiles and compassion..</p>
<p>Well, one thing I am sure is that now that mediacorp has screened it,  the grassroots will be queuing up to help the family..</p>
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		<title>By: Ketupat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ketupat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing!

Malaysia air force shot down one of their own planes without goig to war.  Apparently the multi-million dollars fighter jet engine was quietly packed and shipped out to S America. Submarines get stolen. Now planes. Protectors of the nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing!</p>
<p>Malaysia air force shot down one of their own planes without goig to war.  Apparently the multi-million dollars fighter jet engine was quietly packed and shipped out to S America. Submarines get stolen. Now planes. Protectors of the nation.</p>
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