//Increasing the pie for all – I thought this had been mentioned times and again?

if the salary decreases, how could the size of the pie increase?

IT is more like staying at the same point.

//By making the cake bigger for every one! What do you think the PM, MM, SM and ministers were doing when they flew all over the world? Surely they could not be accumulating air mileages for future free tickets!

How could the air tickets have cost them in the first place? They were paid using public funds.

With the kind of services they get on board, I don’t think any mileage can claim them anything better or the same.

I really don’t think LKY/LHL/Goh GT is flying for our sake.

I think they just want to receive royal treatment on board.

And I also don’t see any results from their flying.

it is like that time, when LKY declared that he got so much business for Singapore from Shell and Shell had to step in to correct him.

And I also don’t think any foreigners who listened to them got anything out of listening to lky.

The only tangible thing is perhaps getting some monies for their banks etc.

post #88 on December 27th, 2009 4.04 am

////Increasing the pie for all – I thought this had been mentioned times and again?////

thanks for the quick reply, but what is the reality for most people in 2008 & 2009? not sure if its been mentioned many times, but the reality does not reflect what has been said.

////By making the cake bigger for every one! What do you think the PM, MM, SM and ministers were doing when they flew all over the world?////

is the cake bigger? for whom, how many? do all have a bigger cake, if not why so? how many retrenched in the recent past are made to live on a smaller “cake” (remunerations) in retail & service sector now? the results show for themselves, got MM, SM & PM, come economic downturn, S’pore is still hit hard like the rest of the world. so there the point of having extra “top calibre” brains is moot, isn’t it?

////Surely they could not be accumulating air mileages for future free tickets!////

it may be far fetched, but nothing is impossible.

“how, by urging the retrenched to be “cheaper, better, faster”? when wages shrink, what are you growing?
growing?

i would like to hear your views on that, thanks.”

Increasing the pie for all – I thought this had been mentioned times and again?

By making the cake bigger for every one! What do you think the PM, MM, SM and ministers were doing when they flew all over the world? Surely they could not be accumulating air mileages for future free tickets!

post #78 on December 20th, 2009 3.49 pm

////With the huge wealth created, the next logical strategy is to increase the population base and bring the nation to the next higher level of growth.////

how, by urging the retrenched to be “cheaper, better, faster”? when wages shrink, what are you growing?

i would like to hear your views on that, thanks. :P

//A responsible government has to look after the interests of the nation as a whole and anticipate the problems lying ahead in 20 or 30 years’ time.

Yeah, and the current and past government for failing to solve the following problems have demonstrated their irresponsibility:

1. population replacement problem

2. freak flooding incident

3. poison incident and the confusing grading system

4. the mismanagement of the charity sectors. (the number of charities that cock up are really incredible)

Yeah, the pigs @ parliament are really irresponsible.

Yeah… but the cost of treatment is 80 cents?

50 cents?

What a joke.

90 cents is also the price that was sold to the Malaysians I think.

//The price of water was contracted when the agreement was signed between Singapore and Malaysia. The issue of subsidy does not arise.

Tell that to the finance minister.

the cpf lowest interest rate for special acct was set up long time ago. IT is an agreement between Singaporeans and the govt.

Yet the govt is lowering that. Check out the minister’s speech. He mentioned about govt losing out in the guarrantee.

The contract of 3 cents is a joke from the point of view of the Malaysians especially when they actually have no enough water in some states.

No subsidy. my foot! Oh… it is a gift from Malaysia to Singapore.

You want other examples of the sick manipulation of govt of the same type, I have lots to give.

Raw water purchased from Malaysia cannot be consumed by Singaporeans as it has to be treated – thus further costs are incurred.

//Singapore on the other hand even had to pay for the water imported from Malaysia and created Temasek when foreign investors were not keen to set up plants in Singapore.

Ask the Malaysian if the water sold to Singapore is not subsidy.

PAP buy it at 3cents and sold it to us at 90 cents.

I think they even realised that sand sold by them to us is a subsidy, that’s why they are not selling to us at a low price anymore.

misplaced ego!

//Every country at different stages of its development need to implement different policies. Singapore’s “Stop At Two” policy had transformed an island without natural resources to a First World country.

as if not procreating is the reason for the existence of sky-crappers in Singapore!

I wonder why Singapore is a first world city. There are not many world famous invention. Who else is well known except LKY? What intellectual contribution have we made to the world that actually change the world?

All the other 4 dragons didn’t need this kind of draconian measures.

Only Singapore has LKY mad enough to implement this kind of policies.

IN addition, if life is so good for most people, you should see people procreating like the Taiwanese and HKer and the south Koreans, to pass on the good fortune.

We are not seeing that.
The only reason is life is not as good as all the govt statistics claimed.

That is indicated by the fact that we earn the least among the 4 dragon by far and we have the least retirement monies and we have been saving the hardest.

All the govt statistics are a flash in the pan. An exercise they do to deceive themselves and Singaporeans that life is that good when it is not.

As if the US or UK would hand monies to the HK and Taiwanese? Please don’t kid yourself.

The Taiwanese in general don’t even speak English , maybe until recently. Why would US give them aid?

HK is a rented place and UK should have taken whatever it could from the place but it is richer than Singapore now.

Why should you expect the person who rented your place to treat the place nicely?

Self delusion is not an answer!

What about the south Koreans?

They are fighting with the North Koreans. It didn’t stop them from prospering.

In all the 3 countries/city, the citizens have more monies in retirement than Singapore.

“Not procreating is a direct response to dictatorship.
HK and Taiwanese and many other countries have children.”

Every country at different stages of its development need to implement different policies. Singapore’s “Stop At Two” policy had transformed an island without natural resources to a First World country.

With the huge wealth created, the next logical strategy is to increase the population base and bring the nation to the next higher level of growth.

Hong Kong and Taiwan were very different cities with strong support from the UK and US then. Singapore on the other hand even had to pay for the water imported from Malaysia and created Temasek when foreign investors were not keen to set up plants in Singapore.

The fact that he/she is sprouting invalidated pap sh@t goes to show 2 things:

1. the pigs are so lazy that they even bother to come up with new ideas,

2. the pigs have NO ideas at all.

They are just trying to prolong the time that they can squeeze a 2 million salary a year from the Singaporeans.

All self interest- pure greedy self interests from the pigs.

Not procreating is a direct response to dictatorship.

HK and Taiwanese and many other countries have children.

Why do we have less?

especially when we are supposed to be in paradise.

Unless we are not in paradise but a perpetual mindless grind.

Let’s get low skilled foreign workers here so that low skilled Singaporeans can compete to see who is willing to get the lower wage contest. Thus low skilled Singaporeans can be exploited too. All is fair.

Let’s get low skilled foreign workers here, so that we can brew more discriminating instincts amongst us. Labeling children by introducing class (paper result based) system is not enough, classing us into different races is not enough, classing us into different economic worth is not enough.. Let’s instill more of this great virtue by exploiting other countries’ woes, let’s bring their men here to clean our mess and rubbish (good education is too long a process), let’s bring their women here to serve our average income earning family (mostly) like a modern slave, let’s close one eye on these poor women coming to better their lives – to be exploited by various people to be prostitutes, KTV gals, hostesses etc. Our local men need to exercise their purchasing power of the flesh trade often, it is very healthy.

Oh, in the meantime, let’s allow high skilled foreign workers to reap the benefits of our economical power. Let the highly talented foreigners be well rewarded here while we get the feeling of being reaped off. It’s ok.. it’s only a feeling.

Let the highly talented foreigners enjoy the streets clean by their lowly skilled counterpart. In return, do praise us for exploring exploitations freely at many levels and areas of our daily lives.

What a plan eh? What a marvelous plan!

Say we go abroad in pursue of a job, there is no guarantee that we would be granted a permit as easily as foreign counterparts in our country. I’m not even pessimistic about working and living abroad in future (once I finish my part-time degree and build up a decent resume), but why should I be myopic about the future of the nation I was born and raised in? It is not complaining as much as it is expressing from the individual viewpoint about how things could have been better off in Singapore.

And then we look at the older generation and what they have to do to survive; people who helped made this nation what it is today but are neglected by both society and the government from whose support they gathered their current power, and I wish we were more of a welfare nation. At least towards the elderly and needy. Instead of spending $10m on integrating foreigners. :\

Shouldn’t you ask yourself will you better off in next 5 yrs? If yes, vote PAP, if not vote opposition. Do you vote for your future prospect or past achievement?

What do you think of next 5 yrs on our housing price, career, education, medical fee, transportation fee, our kids etc etc.

While opposition remains a wildcard, I think we should ask ourselves, are we better today as compared to 5 years ago, if so vote PAP, if not vote opposition.