Honestly ,many people of different faith will feel offended when they are approached .Its just that they are trying not to show that they dislike you ,if you try to evangelize and convert them.So dun think there is no problem.
I have friends and sibling that share your faith.They help me when I am in need.But they never talk about their religion to me or try to convert me.To me ,They are the type that I really respect.

I only see certain people of certain faith who like to talk about religion.This cannot be taken lightly.

You read about that singer who is reported to reveal her NaeNaepok in a public concert (whether intentionally or non intentionally)in the States by the chinese paper yesterday?My junior family member like to watch her shows and had been brainwash.
Maybe using such tactic would be more acceptable

Homosexuality is morally wrong, not just for Christians but many others as well. It is very well unnatural and harmful to society as wth gambling. Period.

It is a basic human right to condemn the homosexuial lifestyle and agenda as unhealthy and harmful to individuals, marriage, and society. It is also a basic human right to tell homosexuals they can be cured of their emotional problem and made normal. That is good news. Not hate. Not a threat. Non-violent.

How is it basic human rights to condemn a minority group?
How is it basic human right to do any of things you mentioned above?
By your reasoning, it is also basic human rights to debunk a religion and its practices, no?

But the tread is about whether evangelism itself is a form of religious extremism.

I tend to believe that it is. (its along the same line as forced conversion in deathbed and etc)

The issue of evanglism is not whether it should be banned.

Just that it should be regulated. (there should have to be a proper code of conduct ie your example above)

But what ire most of the people in this threads, is the more zealous ones tends to go overboard in their approach. (disregarding common courtesy, common sense and even common law!)

The idea of banning it altogether is probably due to the fact that the religious body cannot control / or curtail these overzealousness. (in some probably actively promoting the behaviour)

So the question is, in whose court is the ball now?

It is a basic human right to condemn the homosexuial lifestyle and agenda as unhealthy and harmful to individuals, marriage, and society. It is also a basic human right to tell homosexuals they can be cured of their emotional problem and made normal. That is good news. Not hate. Not a threat. Non-violent.

As for using the word Allah, so what? That is also free speech too. Mohammedans have to learn to accept free speech of they will remain backward and self-defeating forever.

Only a backward dictatorship would restrict free speech including evangelism.

I think nausee wrote it best:
Evangelism’s the same too. All these attempts to persuade others to your viewpoint is part of a vibrant democracy. We can’t shut out evangelists without also shutting out other ‘disagreeable’ views — and if we do, then we’ll all be living in our own pockets of opinion. Society would be balkanized, there’d be no debate or exchange of views. And we’d be left much the poorer for it.

I regard evangelism as the same ills as tobacco, fast food, popular western cultures which are highly erosive, invasive, corrosive. When an evangelist fail to sell u. It is highly they walk away with impression that u r a swine and shall cast no pearls unto you. All these talk about love and hell don’t really impress me becos I am proeast and anyone should read abit more about eastern history under the reign of the west. But one thing I am definitely sure is that the sun will always rise in the east.
Some people say no god no peace. Know god know peace. I can’t help wondering if too much god would be equivalent to a perfect peaceful world. We have seen that it is not for terrorism has too much god in them.
So what if the entire world eventually becomes one religion which is what evangelism try to achieve. Assuming we allowed that to happen and people still continue to sin. Would all go to heaven becos we have accepted god or would we go simply we have been good? Does god value goodness more or free will?
Why does religion go wrong? That even u put the most holiest thing in man’s hand yet it still turn out unholiest. A man who knows peace will have peace within himself. If a man needs to know god in order to know peace. By all means do it. If a man knows god yet he does not know peace. What good does knowing god do. Should man know thyself first which is what is missing or should man know god. For all the ills of this world. Is man following the work of god or the work of man by knowing the anger, hatred, pride, hypocrisy of man yet these are the values that one deal another as they exchanged blows.
When one look into oneself today or maybe one dare not becos one may see the same darkness within oneself which one dare not face. There are no greater enemy other than ourselves.
While terrorism is absolutely despicable. Did not one observed that terrorism only became active after the Iraq war. One war and terrorism wages war on the world. What happened to the nation whose belief is predominantly about love? Who is the real terrorist?

First of all, not sure why you had to change from a generic salesman (#91) to an insurance one (#104). In any case, I disagree that they are not out to change people’s perception. If people previously didn’t want to buy, and now decide to buy after the salesman made his pitch, I would call that a change no matter how I look at it.

In you JBJ example, I think he gave it some thought as well. Certainly, he would not set up his stall where people are benefiting from the PAP regime.

Just saw the other thread that’s ongoing that the city harvest is going to spend 310 million for new building?

Now i understand why the need for all the aggressive evanglism.

Scary!

i dont agree with the insurance salesperson comparison.
They are providing a service that’s proven useful (if you look at it in long term).

You should consider comparing the evanglical christians to … say, time share resort salesperson. (or those that ask ppl to buy holiday package).

Just a thought …

On hearing this, Ah Beng shaked his head and carried on persuading “Aiya, your ah ma never try these stuff before so she dunoo how good they are meh. Don’t listen to her lah…you old ennuff to decide for yourself… you try first…when you find them good… you can let your ah ma try…and your whole family can try also.” Waving both his hands, Ah Seng said unbelievably “You siao olredi lah, you said so good then you keep them to yourself lah.. I don’t need these things because I have my own ways to deal with my life ok.”

Still unrelenting, Ah Beng said empathically “Last time I also don’t believe these stuff got so good one… But my ho hyadi insisted I try first because they really knows how good these stuff are for me…so, I tried and now I cannot live without them anymore. Can’t you see I’m a much happier person? Now, I have a group to hang out with and we share the good stuff together frequently.” Pausing for a moment for the idea to sink in, Ah Beng added “I tried them before, so I surely know it’s good for you, otherwise I wun recommend them to you one. My tua tao said we should not be selfish and should share the good stuff with other people, especially people like you who dun believe or still do no know about these good stuff yet.”

Ah Seng was very piss at these words and raised his voice at Ah Beng “You dun understand what I said izit? I really am not interested in these things ok… You Fxxx off and don’t talk about these things to me anymore!!” After the rejection, Ah Beng felt he got no face and retorted back “Why you so angry with me? I oni want to help you out…and spreading the good ‘stuff’ got wrong meh?” Ah Seng was lost for words and was heard mumbling ‘#%$@!*” as he walked away from Ah Beng who was still a bit puzzled why his offer of help was not taken kindly and flatly refused by this bradder.

I appreciate your point that JH did not say all Muslim are terrorists, but said that muslim fundamentalists are terrorist. In that case it is even worse. Because he/she is making a comparison between someone who shakes your hand and someone who is crazy. He/she is trying to say, a good person is better than an bad person. what is the hidden message behind? The impression i get is he/she is making a nasty insinuation between a Christian and a Muslim, the line is very thin. He should not compare this way. It is sacrilegious and insulting to all Allah-abiding Muslims, peace be with you.

Next, please do note that in no way did i say Christians are terrorist. There is no such thing as Christians are terrorist. It is as absurd as saying Muslim are terrorist. What i said are that the Jews in the times of the ancient world, those from the lineage of Christ (not meaning “christians” but rather, the ancestors of Christ, as in King David, Joshua etc.) were the original terrorists, because they considered themselves People of God and they used this as an excuse to decimate huge populations even babies, cattle and animals were not spared, whilst they put themselves as very god-fearing and righteous poeple. It is my view that this whole thing about old testament is to do with Land, the acquisition of land by force and then justifying it with “god”.

So it is not without reason that i did consider the Jews of the old testa,emt as terrorist.

Have you read 1 Kings, 2 Kings and 1 Chronicles 2 Chronicles. You need to do some reading first before we can discuss sensibly.

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But there’s a difference. Insurance salespeople are there simply to market a product, and it’s smart for them to cater to consumer preferences. So if consumers don’t like being approached, perhaps they could set up booths to attract people to them.

With evangelists and other campaigners, the point is not simply to cater to your preferences, but to try to change them. If JBJ stands at the exit to City Hall MRT selling his book, “The Hatchet Man of Singapore”, he’s trying to change people’s beliefs/views about the ruling PAP government. If I want people on the street to sign a petition for, say, action w.r.t. climate change, I’ve got to convince them it’s worth their time and trouble. And ex hypothesi, in order to change people’s minds, you need to approach the initially unwilling or skeptical ones — you’re not just going to preach to the converted, i.e. stand and wait for people to come up to you.

Evangelism’s the same too. All these attempts to persuade others to your viewpoint is part of a vibrant democracy. We can’t shut out evangelists without also shutting out other ‘disagreeable’ views — and if we do, then we’ll all be living in our own pockets of opinion. Society would be balkanized, there’d be no debate or exchange of views. And we’d be left much the poorer for it.

Probably your knowledge of world religion is close to zero.

Muslims and Christians come from the same source. In fact Muslims call christians people of the book. The split after Cain slew Abel and the tribes of Ishmael and Isaac are the source of all differences in Christians and Muslims, The bible records countless events in which unfairness and yes, terrorism, was inflicted by those from the lineage of David against and the other descendants of Ishmael which is, the arab world. Therefore, not forgetting also the Crusades, there is blood between this two religions, and it will never be easy for christian to preach to Muslim. Blood has long memories, my friend. It is nothing to do with discrimination. You need to educate yourself more. go read the bible, especially, Genesis, 1 Kings, 2 Kings.

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