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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 04</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-editorial-a-hint-of-assertiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-127437</link>
		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 04</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are against capital punishment - TOC: A hint of assertiveness - la nausée: The Death Penalty and the “14.99g” [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] are against capital punishment &#8211; TOC: A hint of assertiveness &#8211; la nausée: The Death Penalty and the “14.99g” [...]</p>
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		<title>By: RW</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-editorial-a-hint-of-assertiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-127410</link>
		<dc:creator>RW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sometimes, even if the judge is leaning in the &#039;right&#039; direction, 
it might not be wise to say it out. 

just like the camping in sembawang case, 
what TOC says is in public domain
and may cause a counter-reaction by the govt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sometimes, even if the judge is leaning in the &#8216;right&#8217; direction,<br />
it might not be wise to say it out. </p>
<p>just like the camping in sembawang case,<br />
what TOC says is in public domain<br />
and may cause a counter-reaction by the govt.</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 18 Jan 2010</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-editorial-a-hint-of-assertiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-127298</link>
		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 18 Jan 2010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] We are against capital punishment - TOC: A hint of assertiveness [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We are against capital punishment &#8211; TOC: A hint of assertiveness [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Laniaz</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-editorial-a-hint-of-assertiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-127173</link>
		<dc:creator>Laniaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes I don&#039;t know why people get very agitated about the criminal cases involvong the death penalty.

Personally, the death penalty does not reduce crime.

Instead look at how the judicial process has been set up.

I am looking at it from a laymen who is not legally trained because the majority of us are not lawyers.

Every  infraction of the law has been so finely categorised.

A minimum sentence has been put in all of them. The print media does a wonderful job when it comes reporting about the courts and how minimum sentence has ensured an efficent judiciary.

An excellent illustration is 20 grams of heroin. Have it and you are assured death

Any visitor entering Singapore can understand it so well. The ones who choose not to understan have just lost their life.  The prosecutors have got their job cut out for them.

An easy day in the court.and a fat salary.

As for the ones who are ignorant by reason of sanity or illiteracy, they too took a gamble but now have given the prosecutors a headache that can be cured with an over the counter pain releiver.

There is no iffs and buts about it.

Lawyers will of course not agree with me. 

The judges have the work so cut out for them.

The prosecutors have to only ensure the paperwork i.e. evidence of 20 grammes is set in stone.

The lawyers for the accused can argue all they can. In fact the mundane court room is brought alive.

When the judge sits down to prepare the verdict there is only one thing to look at the evidence .

By having this type of mechanical process, the judges are protected from being accused of being partial or corrupt. They have more time to indulge in other interests away from the bench.

This has been the norm for the past thirty years or may be more.

It will take another thirty years to dismantle this set up so that judges will have to really consider all the sides of the argument before delivering a verdict.

Then another thirty years to put into practice.

A total of ninety years or three generations.

In the Internet Arena all these can take place immediately but realistically that is not so in Singapore..

I am already fifty and I don&#039;t think I will live to the age of 140 to see this happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes I don&#8217;t know why people get very agitated about the criminal cases involvong the death penalty.</p>
<p>Personally, the death penalty does not reduce crime.</p>
<p>Instead look at how the judicial process has been set up.</p>
<p>I am looking at it from a laymen who is not legally trained because the majority of us are not lawyers.</p>
<p>Every  infraction of the law has been so finely categorised.</p>
<p>A minimum sentence has been put in all of them. The print media does a wonderful job when it comes reporting about the courts and how minimum sentence has ensured an efficent judiciary.</p>
<p>An excellent illustration is 20 grams of heroin. Have it and you are assured death</p>
<p>Any visitor entering Singapore can understand it so well. The ones who choose not to understan have just lost their life.  The prosecutors have got their job cut out for them.</p>
<p>An easy day in the court.and a fat salary.</p>
<p>As for the ones who are ignorant by reason of sanity or illiteracy, they too took a gamble but now have given the prosecutors a headache that can be cured with an over the counter pain releiver.</p>
<p>There is no iffs and buts about it.</p>
<p>Lawyers will of course not agree with me. </p>
<p>The judges have the work so cut out for them.</p>
<p>The prosecutors have to only ensure the paperwork i.e. evidence of 20 grammes is set in stone.</p>
<p>The lawyers for the accused can argue all they can. In fact the mundane court room is brought alive.</p>
<p>When the judge sits down to prepare the verdict there is only one thing to look at the evidence .</p>
<p>By having this type of mechanical process, the judges are protected from being accused of being partial or corrupt. They have more time to indulge in other interests away from the bench.</p>
<p>This has been the norm for the past thirty years or may be more.</p>
<p>It will take another thirty years to dismantle this set up so that judges will have to really consider all the sides of the argument before delivering a verdict.</p>
<p>Then another thirty years to put into practice.</p>
<p>A total of ninety years or three generations.</p>
<p>In the Internet Arena all these can take place immediately but realistically that is not so in Singapore..</p>
<p>I am already fifty and I don&#8217;t think I will live to the age of 140 to see this happen.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the CHAN COURT should always stay power above PAP and not below it. Only than, can we truly see how democracy works and Singaporans truly liberalised from tyranny who knows no bound.  I want a court which is truly independent and not diluted by PAP systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the CHAN COURT should always stay power above PAP and not below it. Only than, can we truly see how democracy works and Singaporans truly liberalised from tyranny who knows no bound.  I want a court which is truly independent and not diluted by PAP systems.</p>
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		<title>By: mirax</title>
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		<dc:creator>mirax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such a pity that that we have been reduced to feeling &lt;i&gt;grateful&lt;/i&gt; for such crumbs from the judiciary! What is a matter of fact judgement - a stay of execution no less- in other countries is a cause for hope and rejoicing here, sheesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such a pity that that we have been reduced to feeling <i>grateful</i> for such crumbs from the judiciary! What is a matter of fact judgement &#8211; a stay of execution no less- in other countries is a cause for hope and rejoicing here, sheesh.</p>
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		<title>By: lee</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-editorial-a-hint-of-assertiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-127072</link>
		<dc:creator>lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do not be so hasty to pass judgement.
This CJ has been known to be on the side of
the executive  in the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not be so hasty to pass judgement.<br />
This CJ has been known to be on the side of<br />
the executive  in the past.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew leung</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-editorial-a-hint-of-assertiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-127048</link>
		<dc:creator>andrew leung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>smacks of liberal sentiment? Kudos to Chief Justice Chan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>smacks of liberal sentiment? Kudos to Chief Justice Chan.</p>
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		<title>By: Xiongnu</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-editorial-a-hint-of-assertiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-127007</link>
		<dc:creator>Xiongnu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>like that also wanna nitpick?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>like that also wanna nitpick?</p>
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		<title>By: Randall</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-editorial-a-hint-of-assertiveness/comment-page-1/#comment-127006</link>
		<dc:creator>Randall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The Chan court’s reasoning on its decision reeks of liberal sentiment.&quot;

&quot;Reek&quot; implies that something smells strongly unpleasant. Is TOC saying that the court&#039;s reasoning suffers from a surfeit of liberal sentiment? If not, better choose your words more carefully next time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Chan court’s reasoning on its decision reeks of liberal sentiment.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Reek&#8221; implies that something smells strongly unpleasant. Is TOC saying that the court&#8217;s reasoning suffers from a surfeit of liberal sentiment? If not, better choose your words more carefully next time.</p>
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