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		<title>By: eroplebon</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-holds-a-successful-year-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-199977</link>
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		<title>By: journalism.sg &#187; Singapore still lacks a functioning public sphere, says researcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>journalism.sg &#187; Singapore still lacks a functioning public sphere, says researcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 02:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jennifer Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 11:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would have been great if the brotherhood sent one of their diplomats there. I have always been fascinated by whether they speak as well as they can write. Just my 2 cents. Perhaps the Liaison officer can look into this matter in future events such as this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would have been great if the brotherhood sent one of their diplomats there. I have always been fascinated by whether they speak as well as they can write. Just my 2 cents. Perhaps the Liaison officer can look into this matter in future events such as this</p>
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		<title>By: Tan Eng Hai</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-holds-a-successful-year-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-124959</link>
		<dc:creator>Tan Eng Hai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2010 11:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its a good feeling to see that despite its so-not-singaporean  to be involved in politial discussions, it is reassuring to see quite a handful of youths dare to turn up.

We need people like this. People with guts and confidence in themselves.

In times , like in future, when there is some wrong done there would be someone standing in Hong Lim Park to voice up for the rest who are meek.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its a good feeling to see that despite its so-not-singaporean  to be involved in politial discussions, it is reassuring to see quite a handful of youths dare to turn up.</p>
<p>We need people like this. People with guts and confidence in themselves.</p>
<p>In times , like in future, when there is some wrong done there would be someone standing in Hong Lim Park to voice up for the rest who are meek.</p>
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		<title>By: Knuts</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-holds-a-successful-year-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-124750</link>
		<dc:creator>Knuts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 20:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether the majority of youths in Singapore are apathetic or not .. what&#039;s indicative is that there was a good 120 odd at the TPANL that were interested in local affairs.

I for one know that I&#039;ll be bringing more friends the next time round something is organised</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether the majority of youths in Singapore are apathetic or not .. what&#8217;s indicative is that there was a good 120 odd at the TPANL that were interested in local affairs.</p>
<p>I for one know that I&#8217;ll be bringing more friends the next time round something is organised</p>
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		<title>By: j</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-holds-a-successful-year-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-124669</link>
		<dc:creator>j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 11:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2
shihan mei mei,

Singaporean youth are definitely not apathetic, they are well learned and they listen.
They ought to participate in shaping Our HOME, the very HOME we live and for our children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2<br />
shihan mei mei,</p>
<p>Singaporean youth are definitely not apathetic, they are well learned and they listen.<br />
They ought to participate in shaping Our HOME, the very HOME we live and for our children.</p>
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		<title>By: oldfart</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-holds-a-successful-year-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-124661</link>
		<dc:creator>oldfart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 09:55:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>120 is a start. Congratulations. TOC is gaining strength. I hope your readership will improve so that more people will know the truth about singapore politics and its government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>120 is a start. Congratulations. TOC is gaining strength. I hope your readership will improve so that more people will know the truth about singapore politics and its government.</p>
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		<title>By: Honestly Blunt  Im Pos Sible</title>
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		<dc:creator>Honestly Blunt  Im Pos Sible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 05:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall that TKL was among the 1st if not the 1st on TOC to suggest that youths are not apathetic.

Lets assume there are 500,000 youths in singapore.

120 / 500,000  = youths are apathetic.

either that or the youths could not be reached/Engaged.

But i&#039;ll admit, with efforts by TR and TOC all the other credible blogs, more youths have woken up. But &#039;more&#039; or &#039;many&#039; is just a relative term. It does not quantify the real extent.

So, allow me to ask : 
Why does it seem to me that TOC is promoting the idea that youths are not apathetic? What is the motivation behind? what is the objective you like to achieve? Is it WISE to go around assuming with 120 , the youths are not apathetic? It would be fair to say they aregetting less apathetic but this meaning is different.

I do hope my post be allowed to live for asking a question that begs to be asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall that TKL was among the 1st if not the 1st on TOC to suggest that youths are not apathetic.</p>
<p>Lets assume there are 500,000 youths in singapore.</p>
<p>120 / 500,000  = youths are apathetic.</p>
<p>either that or the youths could not be reached/Engaged.</p>
<p>But i&#8217;ll admit, with efforts by TR and TOC all the other credible blogs, more youths have woken up. But &#8216;more&#8217; or &#8216;many&#8217; is just a relative term. It does not quantify the real extent.</p>
<p>So, allow me to ask :<br />
Why does it seem to me that TOC is promoting the idea that youths are not apathetic? What is the motivation behind? what is the objective you like to achieve? Is it WISE to go around assuming with 120 , the youths are not apathetic? It would be fair to say they aregetting less apathetic but this meaning is different.</p>
<p>I do hope my post be allowed to live for asking a question that begs to be asked.</p>
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		<title>By: Momo balajian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Momo balajian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 04:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okie, to be fair, I not sure who founded PAP. But LKY was the leader in its 1st election. According to another wiki :

&quot;The party was formed in 1954 by English-educated middle-class professional men who had returned from their university education in the United Kingdom. The PAP first contested the 1955 elections, in which 25 of 32 seats in the legislature were up for election. The party won 3 seats, one by its leader Lee Kuan Yew, the election going to the Workers Party&#039;s David Saul Marshall.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okie, to be fair, I not sure who founded PAP. But LKY was the leader in its 1st election. According to another wiki :</p>
<p>&#8220;The party was formed in 1954 by English-educated middle-class professional men who had returned from their university education in the United Kingdom. The PAP first contested the 1955 elections, in which 25 of 32 seats in the legislature were up for election. The party won 3 seats, one by its leader Lee Kuan Yew, the election going to the Workers Party&#8217;s David Saul Marshall.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Momo balajian</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-holds-a-successful-year-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-124623</link>
		<dc:creator>Momo balajian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 04:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#9 Oxford Dude,

I agree with you, there is nothing to be Afraid of IPS. Absolutely nothing. Zilch.

Wiki on IPS reveals : 

&quot;Institute of Policy Studies
The Institute of Policy Studies (IPS) is a think-tank dedicated to fostering good governance in Singapore through strategic policy research. It focuses on Singapore’s domestic developments and external relations taking a multidisciplinary approach with an emphasis on long-term strategic thinking. Established in 1988, IPS merged with the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy in 2007.
&quot;

and 

&quot;The Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy is a school of the National University of Singapore (NUS).  &quot;

and the dean accordingly is Kishore Mahbubani.

Now, with such a background, like Lee Kuan Yew&#039;s name related to it and LKY being the founder of PAP and MM , what is there to be Afraid given the Credibility and track record of this guy?

This is not the 1st time IPS people like Tan Tarn How have worked/engaged  with TOC.  And this time , an NMP joined in. A MP Nominated by the most credible person in singapore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#9 Oxford Dude,</p>
<p>I agree with you, there is nothing to be Afraid of IPS. Absolutely nothing. Zilch.</p>
<p>Wiki on IPS reveals : </p>
<p>&#8220;Institute of Policy Studies<br />
The Institute of Policy Studies (IPS) is a think-tank dedicated to fostering good governance in Singapore through strategic policy research. It focuses on Singapore’s domestic developments and external relations taking a multidisciplinary approach with an emphasis on long-term strategic thinking. Established in 1988, IPS merged with the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy in 2007.<br />
&#8221;</p>
<p>and </p>
<p>&#8220;The Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy is a school of the National University of Singapore (NUS).  &#8221;</p>
<p>and the dean accordingly is Kishore Mahbubani.</p>
<p>Now, with such a background, like Lee Kuan Yew&#8217;s name related to it and LKY being the founder of PAP and MM , what is there to be Afraid given the Credibility and track record of this guy?</p>
<p>This is not the 1st time IPS people like Tan Tarn How have worked/engaged  with TOC.  And this time , an NMP joined in. A MP Nominated by the most credible person in singapore.</p>
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		<title>By: Oxford Dude</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-holds-a-successful-year-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-124601</link>
		<dc:creator>Oxford Dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jan 2010 01:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5) Goranisovich on January 2nd, 2010 11.35 pm

&lt;blockquote&gt;But i choose not to turn up not because of TOC but i was worried that i would say the wrong things in front of the people from IPS. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

IPS is under the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy at NUS. Why are you afraid of an academic?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5) Goranisovich on January 2nd, 2010 11.35 pm</p>
<blockquote><p>But i choose not to turn up not because of TOC but i was worried that i would say the wrong things in front of the people from IPS. </p></blockquote>
<p>IPS is under the Lee Kuan Yew School of Public Policy at NUS. Why are you afraid of an academic?</p>
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		<title>By: Seelan Palay</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-holds-a-successful-year-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-124591</link>
		<dc:creator>Seelan Palay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good forum and good turnout,  keep it up!</description>
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		<title>By: wui</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-holds-a-successful-year-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-124588</link>
		<dc:creator>wui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 18:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm.. 
Let&#039;s try not be like our MSM.

Surprising turnout ? Yes

Encouraging signs ? Yes

Dispelling the myth of apathy among Singaporean youth about key issues concerning their country ? Not yet. (Can&#039;t assume answer to be a no, just in case there were actually a million who wanted to turn out but had various reasons.)

We need more meetings like this. Good job TOC. It&#039;s a tough long road ahead, but can we get more to travel this path?

It&#039;s nice to be amongst people who agree with you. It&#039;s nice to pat your own back once in a while. 

Most importantly, in my opinion, is - For those who are unable to vote, are you able to sway votes? Are we able to create a real momentum that we can start feeling it in the &#039;streets&#039;, where we will be able to look and nod at each other knowingly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm..<br />
Let&#8217;s try not be like our MSM.</p>
<p>Surprising turnout ? Yes</p>
<p>Encouraging signs ? Yes</p>
<p>Dispelling the myth of apathy among Singaporean youth about key issues concerning their country ? Not yet. (Can&#8217;t assume answer to be a no, just in case there were actually a million who wanted to turn out but had various reasons.)</p>
<p>We need more meetings like this. Good job TOC. It&#8217;s a tough long road ahead, but can we get more to travel this path?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to be amongst people who agree with you. It&#8217;s nice to pat your own back once in a while. </p>
<p>Most importantly, in my opinion, is &#8211; For those who are unable to vote, are you able to sway votes? Are we able to create a real momentum that we can start feeling it in the &#8216;streets&#8217;, where we will be able to look and nod at each other knowingly?</p>
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		<title>By: ahtong</title>
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		<dc:creator>ahtong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I could be there....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could be there&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Goranisovich</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-holds-a-successful-year-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-124565</link>
		<dc:creator>Goranisovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had  time to go to the event that day. I knew about it beforehand thru TOC.
But i choose not to turn up not because of TOC but i was worried that i would say the wrong things in front of the people from IPS. So, i &#039;siam&#039; such events. I turn up at Hong Lim park as many times as i could.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had  time to go to the event that day. I knew about it beforehand thru TOC.<br />
But i choose not to turn up not because of TOC but i was worried that i would say the wrong things in front of the people from IPS. So, i &#8216;siam&#8217; such events. I turn up at Hong Lim park as many times as i could.</p>
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		<title>By: soo kum mong</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-holds-a-successful-year-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-124564</link>
		<dc:creator>soo kum mong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shihan,
You are spot on! I like your work covering news for TOC and writing meaningful articles for us readers. Will help spread your articles around where possible.

Keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shihan,<br />
You are spot on! I like your work covering news for TOC and writing meaningful articles for us readers. Will help spread your articles around where possible.</p>
<p>Keep it up!</p>
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		<title>By: soo kum mong</title>
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		<dc:creator>soo kum mong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, lest i be misunderstood, I am happy that despite 120 turned up, though not as many as i hoped. Its always good to have these events to discuss issues of Public Interest. 

We need to know.
We need to know also the Need to Know what we want to know.

Lets liberate the minds of citizens before its too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, lest i be misunderstood, I am happy that despite 120 turned up, though not as many as i hoped. Its always good to have these events to discuss issues of Public Interest. </p>
<p>We need to know.<br />
We need to know also the Need to Know what we want to know.</p>
<p>Lets liberate the minds of citizens before its too late.</p>
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		<title>By: Shihan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-holds-a-successful-year-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-124562</link>
		<dc:creator>Shihan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#1
You&#039;re quick. I&#039;d say Singaporean youth are unexpectedly non-apathetic. How about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1<br />
You&#8217;re quick. I&#8217;d say Singaporean youth are unexpectedly non-apathetic. How about that?</p>
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		<title>By: soo kum mong</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/01/toc-holds-a-successful-year-in-review/comment-page-1/#comment-124559</link>
		<dc:creator>soo kum mong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Judging by the turnout, Singaporean youth are NOT apathetic. &quot;

Again , this is onesided.
Basing on a small number of 120, it is claimed that singaporeans are not Apathetic?

How about i rephrase the &#039;news&#039; as &quot;
&quot;Judging by the turnout, 99% of Singaporean youth are Apathetic. Thats pathetic! &quot;

Feel free to disagree with me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Judging by the turnout, Singaporean youth are NOT apathetic. &#8221;</p>
<p>Again , this is onesided.<br />
Basing on a small number of 120, it is claimed that singaporeans are not Apathetic?</p>
<p>How about i rephrase the &#8216;news&#8217; as &#8221;<br />
&#8220;Judging by the turnout, 99% of Singaporean youth are Apathetic. Thats pathetic! &#8221;</p>
<p>Feel free to disagree with me.</p>
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