Comments on: HDB: 95 per cent happy with their flats – really, or just half the story? http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/ a community of Singaporeans Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:13:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Hmmm... http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-2/#comment-156244 Hmmm... Mon, 02 Aug 2010 01:59:31 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-156244 Hmmmm.... Its better to tell the whole truth than half the truth and pretending its the whole truth... got it? Hmmm..... Hmmmm…. Its better to tell the whole truth than half the truth and pretending its the whole truth… got it? Hmmm…..

]]> By: Viva Democracy http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-2/#comment-132373 Viva Democracy Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:53:44 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-132373 Ever heard of the White washed Tomb? This is what some folks rooted for for 5 painful decades! REFORMASI! REFORMASI! REFORMASI! Ever heard of the White washed Tomb? This is what some folks rooted for for 5 painful decades! REFORMASI! REFORMASI! REFORMASI!

]]> By: Mic O Mic http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-2/#comment-132330 Mic O Mic Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:19:00 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-132330 It is very possible that this "survey" was actually some term project paper of students. The "unorthodox scale" could be the result of students unfamiliar with standard survey formats. It is very possible that this “survey” was actually some term project paper of students.
The “unorthodox scale” could be the result of students unfamiliar with standard survey formats.

]]> By: bongiovi http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-2/#comment-132318 bongiovi Wed, 03 Mar 2010 04:31:15 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-132318 HDB housing are becoming smaller and smaller... soon we will be living like the japanese......... are we going to be happy? from 104 sqm for a typical 4 room flat............ now the new four room flat is reduced to 90 sqm.... in terms of the human psychology..... living in cram places is not happy.......... have they done a study on old estates owners versus new estates owners? for example... children who had previously lived with their parents in old estates and now getting their new smaller flat... HDB housing are becoming smaller and smaller… soon we will be living like the japanese……… are we going to be happy?
from 104 sqm for a typical 4 room flat………… now the new four room flat is reduced to 90 sqm….
in terms of the human psychology….. living in cram places is not happy……….
have they done a study on old estates owners versus new estates owners? for example… children who had previously lived with their parents in old estates and now getting their new smaller flat…

]]> By: hong lee hoong http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-2/#comment-131729 hong lee hoong Fri, 26 Feb 2010 15:15:41 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-131729 We owe Mr Goh a debt of gratitude for speaking up for us, the less vocal. His comments and analysis all makes logical sense. Mr Goh, i support your effort investigating this and hope you push for clear answers relentlessly. You will get my vote if there is no walkover. We owe Mr Goh a debt of gratitude for speaking up for us, the less vocal.
His comments and analysis all makes logical sense.
Mr Goh, i support your effort investigating this and hope you push for clear answers relentlessly.
You will get my vote if there is no walkover.

]]> By: aurvandil http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-2/#comment-131723 aurvandil Fri, 26 Feb 2010 13:42:45 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-131723 Goh Meng Seng did a follow up with HDB Sample Survey 2008. <em>No clarity yet but more questions on HDB Survey Last week, I wrote about how the HDB Sample Survey 2008 was misleading and contained serious statistical issues. Leong Sze Hian did an independent analysis and came to a similar conclusion. </em><a href="http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/" rel="nofollow"><em>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/</em></a> <em>What I had written was even featured in the Reach forum. An anonymous poster posted the entire thread from TOC into the Reach discussion thread on HDB. </em><a href="http://app.reach.gov.sg/reach/YourSay/YourDiscussionCorner/tabid/117/ptid/414/page/59/totrecs/591/threadid/2427/forumtype/posts/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow"><em>http://app.reach.gov.sg/reach/YourSay/YourDiscussionCorner/tabid/117/ptid/414/page/59/totrecs/591/threadid/2427/forumtype/posts/Default.aspx</em></a> <em>It is strange that up till now there isn’t any reactions to what I have written. The formidable PAP Internet team which is supposed to “counter” unfavourable, untrue articles by the Opposition did not show up. Instead among the people who commented, there was almost universal agreement that there was something “fishy” about the statistics. As I had previously written, I do not understand the results of the press release. In particular, the following seems to contradict the daily experience of those that live in the HDB heartlands. 96.4% of all HDB households surveyed said they were satisfied with their flats, while 95.1% were satisfied with their neighbourhood. I therefore wrote the following email to HDB to ask them for the survey form and the methodology of the survey. Dear Sir/ Madam, I have read with interest about your recent release on HDB Sample Survery 2008. I would like to have a copy of the survey questionnaire and understand more about the survey methodology applied in this survery. I am particularly interested on how the 94% of HDB dwellers satisfaction rate was derived from the survey. I would like to know the sample size and the sampling methodology used in this survey. I would appreciate if you could send me the survey questionnaire and necessary information as soon as possible. Thank you. Goh Meng Seng I received the following reply: Dear Mr Goh, HDB SAMPLE SURVEY 2008 We thank you for your interest in HDB's SHS 2008 and your enquiries on the survey. 2. Close to 8,000 households across the island were sucessfully surveyed, yielding an overall sampling error of +1.2% at 95% confidence level. A set of weight was used to generalise the survey data to the population level, so that the findings reported are representative of all HDB households. A dual-modal data collection method was used, encompassing Internet survey (e-survey) as well as the conventional face-to-face survey at residents' home. 3. Residents' satisfaction was measured on a 4-point scale, ranging from "Very Satisfied", "Satisfied", "Dissatisfied" to "Very Dissatisfied". The proportion of households who were satisfied consists of those who indicated either they were "Very Satisfied" or "Satisfied". 4. We are unable to forward you a copy of the survey questionnaire. However, you can look forward to more details in our monographs, available for purchase at end Mar/early Apr 2010. Yours sincerely, GOH LI PING SENIOR RESEARCH OFFICER RESEARCH & PLANNING DEPARTMENT While polite, the reply unfortunately does not provide any of meaningful answers. It did not answer some fundamental question on the sampling methodology applied when the face to face interviews were carried out. It does raise some doubts technically but I will confirm and comment on my doubts after I get more information and clarity once I get hold of the monographs. On the other hand, the email raises 3 additional questions: 1) The survey was conducted in 2008. It is very surprising to read that the results will not be ready until Mar/Arp 2010. This is very unusual as the normal time to complete a survey of this size is about 3 to 6 month, or at most 1 year. If this data is still not ready, then what data has Mr Mah been using to make policy? The HDB website shows that the most recent data release is 2003. Was Mr Mah using vintage 2003 data to make policy decisions? 2) It is very strange that HDB has refused to release the questionnaire. This is a basic requirement in all research so that those reading the numbers can understand how the numbers were derived. The Singapore Department of Statistics releases all questionnaires from their surveys. Questionnaires cannot be classified as being Confidential or Secret. They belong in the public domain since to use them to gather information, you have to show them to the public. This is especially so when it is claimed that internet survey was carried out. 3) The 4 point scale is a non-standard method to generate a satisfaction score. The more standard scale is to use a 5 point scale or a 10 point scale. It is unknown why HDB chose to use such an unorthodox scale. A known research problem with such a scale is that it tends to give inflated results. This is because respondents who are indifferent (neither satisfied nor dissatisfied) are not given a choice. When forced the tendency of such indifferent respondents is to give a 3 rating, inflating the results. Mar/early April is round the corner. I will wait for the monographs to come out and do a more detailed analysis of the findings. Goh Meng Seng </em>     Goh Meng Seng did a follow up with HDB Sample Survey 2008.

No clarity yet but more questions on HDB Survey
Last week, I wrote about how the HDB Sample Survey 2008 was misleading and contained serious statistical issues. Leong Sze Hian did an independent analysis and came to a similar conclusion.

http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/

What I had written was even featured in the Reach forum. An anonymous poster posted the entire thread from TOC into the Reach discussion thread on HDB.

http://app.reach.gov.sg/reach/YourSay/YourDiscussionCorner/tabid/117/ptid/414/page/59/totrecs/591/threadid/2427/forumtype/posts/Default.aspx

It is strange that up till now there isn’t any reactions to what I have written. The formidable PAP Internet team which is supposed to “counter” unfavourable, untrue articles by the Opposition did not show up. Instead among the people who commented, there was almost universal agreement that there was something “fishy” about the statistics.

As I had previously written, I do not understand the results of the press release. In particular, the following seems to contradict the daily experience of those that live in the HDB heartlands.

96.4% of all HDB households surveyed said they were satisfied with their flats, while 95.1% were satisfied with their neighbourhood.

I therefore wrote the following email to HDB to ask them for the survey form and the methodology of the survey.

Dear Sir/ Madam,

I have read with interest about your recent release on HDB Sample Survery 2008. I would like to have a copy of the survey questionnaire and understand more about the survey methodology applied in this survery.

I am particularly interested on how the 94% of HDB dwellers satisfaction rate was derived from the survey. I would like to know the sample size and the sampling methodology used in this survey.

I would appreciate if you could send me the survey questionnaire and necessary information as soon as possible. Thank you.

Goh Meng Seng

I received the following reply:

Dear Mr Goh,

HDB SAMPLE SURVEY 2008

We thank you for your interest in HDB’s SHS 2008 and your enquiries on the survey.

2. Close to 8,000 households across the island were sucessfully surveyed, yielding an overall sampling error of +1.2% at 95% confidence level. A set of weight was used to generalise the survey data to the population level, so that the findings reported are representative of all HDB households. A dual-modal data collection method was used, encompassing Internet survey (e-survey) as well as the conventional face-to-face survey at residents’ home.

3. Residents’ satisfaction was measured on a 4-point scale, ranging from “Very Satisfied”, “Satisfied”, “Dissatisfied” to “Very Dissatisfied”. The proportion of households who were satisfied consists of those who indicated either they were “Very Satisfied” or “Satisfied”.

4. We are unable to forward you a copy of the survey questionnaire. However, you can look forward to more details in our monographs, available for purchase at end Mar/early Apr 2010.

Yours sincerely,

GOH LI PING
SENIOR RESEARCH OFFICER
RESEARCH & PLANNING DEPARTMENT

While polite, the reply unfortunately does not provide any of meaningful answers. It did not answer some fundamental question on the sampling methodology applied when the face to face interviews were carried out. It does raise some doubts technically but I will confirm and comment on my doubts after I get more information and clarity once I get hold of the monographs. On the other hand, the email raises 3 additional questions:

1) The survey was conducted in 2008. It is very surprising to read that the results will not be ready until Mar/Arp 2010. This is very unusual as the normal time to complete a survey of this size is about 3 to 6 month, or at most 1 year. If this data is still not ready, then what data has Mr Mah been using to make policy? The HDB website shows that the most recent data release is 2003. Was Mr Mah using vintage 2003 data to make policy decisions?

2) It is very strange that HDB has refused to release the questionnaire. This is a basic requirement in all research so that those reading the numbers can understand how the numbers were derived. The Singapore Department of Statistics releases all questionnaires from their surveys. Questionnaires cannot be classified as being Confidential or Secret. They belong in the public domain since to use them to gather information, you have to show them to the public. This is especially so when it is claimed that internet survey was carried out.

3) The 4 point scale is a non-standard method to generate a satisfaction score. The more standard scale is to use a 5 point scale or a 10 point scale. It is unknown why HDB chose to use such an unorthodox scale. A known research problem with such a scale is that it tends to give inflated results. This is because respondents who are indifferent (neither satisfied nor dissatisfied) are not given a choice. When forced the tendency of such indifferent respondents is to give a 3 rating, inflating the results.

Mar/early April is round the corner. I will wait for the monographs to come out and do a more detailed analysis of the findings.

Goh Meng Seng

 

 

]]> By: What caused the HDB price skyrocket? http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-2/#comment-131623 What caused the HDB price skyrocket? Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:55:14 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-131623 Is it the policies that indirectly or directly led to exploitations of opportunities ? How possible is it that PRs who bought a flat or condo years ago cash in after finding greener pastures or lost their jobs here? Can PAP comment on this possibility? Can HDB reveal all PR flats sold and map to the PRs who left and gone home?   What is the Effect of allowing PRs to buy and sell public housing? What is the Effect of granting citizenship in such huge numbers and ease (comparatively)? In the recession , how many old their flats to cash in by leaving or downgrade? Is it the policies that indirectly or directly led to exploitations of opportunities ?

How possible is it that PRs who bought a flat or condo years ago cash in after finding greener pastures or lost their jobs here?

Can PAP comment on this possibility?
Can HDB reveal all PR flats sold and map to the PRs who left and gone home?
 
What is the Effect of allowing PRs to buy and sell public housing?
What is the Effect of granting citizenship in such huge numbers and ease (comparatively)?
In the recession , how many old their flats to cash in by leaving or downgrade?

]]> By: W P fong http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-131621 W P fong Fri, 26 Feb 2010 03:48:47 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-131621 Dear Mr Leong, One of the things we have missed ou is this : How many PRs have bought HDB and return home to their countries for a few years and waiting for the HDB prices to increase befor selling them. By this I mean how many PRs have puchased HDBs and returned to their country while renting out or leaving these flats empty and waiting for the price to increase before selling them thus making a profit . Lets not forget that many so called PRs are cash/asset rich with bank accounts in their own countries but working in singapore  and exploting the loophole in buying and selling HDB flats at a profit before they eventually give up their PR status and return home. Dear Mr Leong,

One of the things we have missed ou is this : How many PRs have bought HDB and return home to their countries for a few years and waiting for the HDB prices to increase befor selling them. By this I mean how many PRs have puchased HDBs and returned to their country while renting out or leaving these flats empty and waiting for the price to increase before selling them thus making a profit .

Lets not forget that many so called PRs are cash/asset rich with bank accounts in their own countries but working in singapore  and exploting the loophole in buying and selling HDB flats at a profit before they eventually give up their PR status and return home.

]]> By: teeboon http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-131412 teeboon Wed, 24 Feb 2010 21:37:06 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-131412 Statistics is often skewed to suit an interested party. To say 95%  of HDB dwellers is satisfied is too far- fetched. Given an option I would prefer a simple attap hut in a kumpong like in the good old days. My main grudge with HDB is the mentality of people.  Your neighbour live for themselve and don't give a damn who you are. My immediate neighbours were friendly S'pore Malays and we got along fine. They left and now foreigners moved in and they shut their doors. The main rubbish chute is forever cluttered - don't care or don't know how to use I wonder. At the car-park, motorists honk and use their remote car door key to make a lot of noise even during the silent hours at night. Imagine these people cannot open their car door silently - technology is useless if it contributes to noise pollution. Car alarms go off and wake up the whole neighbourhood. Karang guni man blare their horns. One can become a nervous wreck staying in HDB flat.  Statistics is often skewed to suit an interested party. To say 95%  of HDB dwellers is satisfied is too far- fetched. Given an option I would prefer a simple attap hut in a kumpong like in the good old days. My main grudge with HDB is the mentality of people.  Your neighbour live for themselve and don’t give a damn who you are. My immediate neighbours were friendly S’pore Malays and we got along fine. They left and now foreigners moved in and they shut their doors. The main rubbish chute is forever cluttered - don’t care or don’t know how to use I wonder. At the car-park, motorists honk and use their remote car door key to make a lot of noise even during the silent hours at night. Imagine these people cannot open their car door silently - technology is useless if it contributes to noise pollution. Car alarms go off and wake up the whole neighbourhood. Karang guni man blare their horns. One can become a nervous wreck staying in HDB flat. 

]]> By: nonsense http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-131405 nonsense Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:07:55 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-131405 "<em><strong>arrogant</strong></em> attitude speaks for itself that our Govt is world class" OMG!...haha...associating an obviously negative and undesirable trait with being world class??!!! And we wonder where all the <strong>brain dead world class bootlicking ugly Singaporeans</strong> are hiding? Scary sad sad day! “arrogant attitude speaks for itself that our Govt is world class”
OMG!…haha…associating an obviously negative and undesirable trait with being world class??!!!
And we wonder where all the brain dead world class bootlicking ugly Singaporeans are hiding? Scary sad sad day!

]]> By: Ray http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-131402 Ray Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:46:43 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-131402 what an ungrateful Singaporeans we are, we are safe and secure, how can you people have the hearts to comment negatively ? Your house ,even an earthquake wer to strike, i bet my life , our building will stand. You people will go overseas and show off arrogantly as sporean, how will this be possible without a proper govt ? The way we react and our arrogant attitude speaks for itself that our Govt is world class .  We have a world class safety We have a world class economy We have a world class education system We no doubt have a world class housing development system we are just good in complaining till we face the opposite then all of us will start regreting, whatever done is done for the good for Singaporeans, yes here and there there might be scratches, but in the whole, i see a big white clean sheet and lets not over hype over a small pencil mark . what an ungrateful Singaporeans we are, we are safe and secure, how can you people have the hearts to comment negatively ?
Your house ,even an earthquake wer to strike, i bet my life , our building will stand.
You people will go overseas and show off arrogantly as sporean, how will this be possible without a proper govt ? The way we react and our arrogant attitude speaks for itself that our Govt is world class . 
We have a world class safety
We have a world class economy
We have a world class education system
We no doubt have a world class housing development system

we are just good in complaining till we face the opposite then all of us will start regreting, whatever done is done for the good for Singaporeans, yes here and there there might be scratches, but in the whole, i see a big white clean sheet and lets not over hype over a small pencil mark .

]]> By: i just forked http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-131241 i just forked Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:37:25 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-131241 if they say 66%,  i would not be surprised. But 95%? oh, they must be right. We must believe in honesty and integrity. if they say 66%,  i would not be surprised. But 95%? oh, they must be right. We must believe in honesty and integrity.

]]> By: sgcynic http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-131233 sgcynic Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:13:35 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-131233 I'd think that people may like to own things which they can monetize, not so for a HDB flat which they have to monetize in their old age. Affordable and value for money indeed. Uniquely Singapore! I’d think that people may like to own things which they can monetize, not so for a HDB flat which they have to monetize in their old age. Affordable and value for money indeed. Uniquely Singapore!

]]> By: tiredsingaporean http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-131232 tiredsingaporean Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:23:28 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-131232 I suggest all singaporeans who are now jobless to vote out the papies, make them pay for causing pain and hardships to the citizens. I suggest all singaporeans who are now jobless to vote out the papies, make them pay for causing pain and hardships to the citizens.

]]> By: tiredsingaporean http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-131231 tiredsingaporean Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:20:52 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-131231 95% are happy with their flats? yeah right, LIARS! GREAT LIARS!!! 95% are happy with their flats?

yeah right, LIARS! GREAT LIARS!!!

]]> By: nonsense http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-131223 nonsense Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:12:36 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-131223 I NEVER trust MIW at any level. When the opposition takes down a few GRCs, prepare for wayang drama cos old man said he will send in the army-all the freshly-minted little boy colonels and generals. Dun pray pray. They shoot to kill one. Bang! Bang! :) I NEVER trust MIW at any level. When the opposition takes down a few GRCs, prepare for wayang drama cos old man said he will send in the army-all the freshly-minted little boy colonels and generals. Dun pray pray. They shoot to kill one. Bang! Bang! :)

]]> By: aurvandil http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-131222 aurvandil Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:39:19 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-131222 I don't think the PAP will resort to stuffing ballot boxes to win. In the event of an Oppostion taking down a GRC, the more important thing to do will be to lock down the town council so that nothing gets shredded or deleted. Plenty of skeletons for those who know where to look. I don’t think the PAP will resort to stuffing ballot boxes to win.

In the event of an Oppostion taking down a GRC, the more important thing to do will be to lock down the town council so that nothing gets shredded or deleted.

Plenty of skeletons for those who know where to look.

]]> By: nonsense http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-131221 nonsense Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:30:01 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-131221 My main concern is NOT if the majority now will vote out this corrupt regime, but will the opposition have sufficient escorts to monitor the vote-boxes when they are ferried out of the polling stations to the counting centers. If patronizing citizens through such BS surveys are normal aside from the other usual propaganda stuff, switching conveyancing transport (carrying vote ballot boxes) in heavily contested constituents, are not beneath them. They WILL do Anything to "win legally" in the eyes of the world. My main concern is NOT if the majority now will vote out this corrupt regime, but will the opposition have sufficient escorts to monitor the vote-boxes when they are ferried out of the polling stations to the counting centers. If patronizing citizens through such BS surveys are normal aside from the other usual propaganda stuff, switching conveyancing transport (carrying vote ballot boxes) in heavily contested constituents, are not beneath them. They WILL do Anything to “win legally” in the eyes of the world.

]]> By: theforgottongeneration http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-131220 theforgottongeneration Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:28:42 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-131220 BTW, did anyone or ST actually conducted a survey with our MPs to find if they had believed they could deliver Swiss standards of living to S'poreans or World Cup 2010? Understand now SingTel even have problems telecasting WC 2010?! Aiyah, only survey-survey, what! BTW, did anyone or ST actually conducted a survey with our MPs to find if they had believed they could deliver Swiss standards of living to S’poreans or World Cup 2010? Understand now SingTel even have problems telecasting WC 2010?! Aiyah, only survey-survey, what!

]]> By: Wormhole http://theonlinecitizen.com/2010/02/hdb-95-per-cent-happy-with-their-flats-%e2%80%93-really-or-just-half-the-story/comment-page-1/#comment-131217 Wormhole Tue, 23 Feb 2010 10:03:21 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=20225#comment-131217 I remember the public transport survey that says most people are happy with it, yet the number of people using it FELL. Remember that? What a joke, these surveys... I remember the public transport survey that says most people are happy with it, yet the number of people using it FELL.
Remember that? What a joke, these surveys…

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