Keep up the good work TOC!

Good job, TOC!

pap *pui*. Enough is enough! Just vote those fat white pigs out in the next election!

This Mah Bow Tan, is surely, 100%, absolutely, must be, going to lose his seat in Tampines.

PAP is treating us like fools. It’s like telling us repeatedly that a black cat is white, when all of us and the whole world know it is black.

Enough is enough

Don;t just vote MBT out. Get the younger generation to vote the FAMILEE out.
MM Lee mentioned that we are getting lazier. I wonder how many hours he is working now
yet drawing his million dollar salary yet talking thrash like never before.
We the local believe him and suffer. Take 120 dollar for National Services for 2.5 years.
Maximum for my 2.5 years national services only earn me 4.5K, Now, they give CINA Scholar
and India Thrash 600 – 800 dollars for scholarship,. Tuition waiver, housing waiver.
U think I stupid.
After I served 2.5 years of national services I still draw less than PM 1 day salary. i.e 10K a day.
Even he shit and has diarrhoea for the whole day. He still draw more than.
The ground is boiling now. We need to bring out the chopper and start chopping. If not
we will be eaten alive again and again.
CSJ is right. They are partying and partying yet forgetting that we have lots of Singaporeans
suffering.
U want your millions. I want my happiness. If I die, I make sure everyone die together.

Shelter is a basic necessity…. every Singaporean needs one and it has to be affordable. It’s fine that young Singaporeans who are single and still in good terms with their family can live together in a small flat (3 rooms or less). But families who do not want to go into debt and want affordable housing should be given rental flats. Not everyone wants to be forced to go into debt paying the HDB. Is that what life is all about?

I am queueing to buy my 1st flat. The recession costed me my job and competition with FTs led me to numerous months looking for a job competiting with many around the world. I feel so strong after all these difficulties. I thought i could get married and afford a lease by now. That was 3 years ago. Things changed and coincidentally, the flat prices also soared. I am so happy. I get to be stronger and stronger each day facing and surviving all these challenges living in singapore.

wow, l luv sg.

I think the current govt has screwed the HDB by changing it’s focus and the people of Singapore…. remember not everyone wants to go into debt… unfortunately majority of Singaporeans are in debt.

I agree with PCL9… things can never be the same in the future.

Being in debt (basically caused by owning HDB which is supposed to be a basic affordable housing), puts incredible strain on the family. At least 20% or more of an average Singaporean’s salary goes to paying the debt. With life in Singapore forever being unpredictable, it’s amazing how people can think of the short term and agree to a 30 year loan.

What kind of “talented” foreign professionals and executives would require Singapore Government’s assistance to rent a place to stay?

It’s obvious that these so-called “foreign talents” are no real talents. For god’s sake, they cannot even pay real market rental rates, but have to rely on PAP government to give market subsized rates.

This is so rich – chasing Singaporeans from their flats, to give foreigners cheap rental places, so to compete with Singaporeans for job opportunities.

It’s very clear – we got to VOTE OUT PAP NOW!

guys,

just email the link to this article to as many friends as you can. Let them judge for themselves, especially those pap supporters, whether is this the type of government you want.

Vote for you future and vote for your children future. Vote out pap.

Singaporean executives do not even get protection under labour law as they are deemed intelligent enough to take care of themselves. Why is our govt taking special care of foreign executives and staff? Are they incapable of thinking for themselves? why is our govt helping foreigners to build a crutch mentality, especially with our money? This Mah Bow Tan has got to go. He is too talented for Singaporeans.

This is outrageous ! How can hdb be saying one thing and yet doing another. If TOC has not taken the effort and the hours of research to unearth this piece of extremely useful information, and which by the way I thank the team very much, all of us would have been kept in the dark and God knows how many flats have been rented out to foreigners behind our back ?!

hdb (I’m not even giving them the respect by addressing them in upper case) must and be obligated to serve the citizens first becoz they are CIVIL SERVANTS paid with the taxpayers’ monies. Have they all forgotten their purpose, which is to provide basic essential housing to all deserving citizens ?

I can’t understand why our MILLION DOLLARS ministers can never learn from UAE. Even they can preempt the potential problem that comes with foreign workers and has created self-sustained estates for these workers on islands. They understand that they PRIORITY is with their citizens and all amenities in the mainland is for the locals to enjoy, and not having to squeeze and compete with the foreigners. It is NOT about class division or segregation, but BASIC understanding of what matters to YOUR PEOPLE first ! Your people should come first and anything that compromises that principle is simply inviting question on your ability to lead and judge.

please show Mr. Mah Bow Tan the way to the EXIT

i’m telling you, one of these days when Singaporeans awaken from their stupor, they will wonder why they have been voting for leaders who clearly want to grab only money (and power) for themselves.

much like how the Germans realized after WWII their collective mistake in blindly following the Nazis.

Great job TOC!

Singaporeans come first? what a joke!

pap is contradicting their words with their action, again and again. Stop treating us like idiots. We are fools no more.

Some time ago, I blogged about JTC’s Scheme for Housing of Foreign Talent (SHiFT). I was alerted to this by Singaporean contacts in A*Star — an email alerting employees of the scheme was sent to the staff of an A*Star research institute, including the Singaporeans (even though they are ineligible for the flats under the scheme). It would be interesting to find out if the flats provided under this scheme are SERS flats.

Note the language on JTC’s website: “quality housing and apartments specially for foreign talents”.

First I would like to say what a nice look TOC has taken up. Congratulation for coming back.

This Mah Bow Tan, I cannot stand looking at him each time I meet him, yet I put on a stupid smile when face with him and pretend to be his pal. Inside my heart I feel like asking him to the cul de sac but then don’t have the gut to do that.

What to do when you meet a wicked man? All I could do when I see his dumb face in the magazine, I just add a few X across his face. But what do I get by doing that, nothing I suppose except letting off some hot air.

Haiz sad to say I am such a gutless chap.

Another thing that would be interesting to find out about JTC’s SHiFT scheme is whether the rent they offered is below market rates. If so, JTC would be effectively subsidizing the rents of foreign talent while forcing Singaporeans who need to rent onto the free market. Here are screenshots I took of the current flats available under that scheme:

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I think this low cost housing for foreigners is a response to MNC companies here dealing in the manufacturing line asking for extremely-low-wage workers whom the later can only come from overseas. As housing prices have increased significantly, such low-wage workers would be hard-pressed to find affordable accommodation without being charged for overcrowding.

I see this as a temporary solution until productivity increases with things like low-cost manufacturing-line workers being replace with automation.
The government here has already said that companies here must improve their productivity, else close down or shift out.

Nevertheless, HDB has shown legal arrogance by jumping into this without due process in informing parliament about its change of plans. Either that or Mah Bow Tan failed as a minister of Singapore to responsibly make an announcement to the public about HDB’s use of publicly-funded infrastructure for commercial purposes.

IF neither of what i had posted earlier is true, then CPIB should investigate into a possible corruption by HDB. Lim Swee Say who is the PAP “party-whip” would also need to ask some fundamental questions about its members.

@ small hum

The HDB notice was very clear on this: it wrote, “professional and executive staff”, including S-Pass and employment pass holders.

There is no basis at all to say that this is a response to MNCs requiring low-paid workers.

In fact, it should be crystal-clear that PAP has let in massive numbers of foreigners and further subsidizing their accomodation needs. That is why there are so many blocks acquired under SERS, dormitories hastily constructed (e.g. Serangoon Gardens) and long queues of homeless Singaporeans.

Goh cock talking is now talking instead of letting LHL or LKY do any talking.

The fact that homeless people exist and the shabby way they have been treated is a sure demonstration that his gracious society failed.

either it is poor execution or he never wanted that in the first place.

So, all the talk about esc saving us etc is bullshit.

As for MBT,

Honestly, why would you want to join a the ranks of the homeless people that requires you to rent a not so good place from the govt?

When hdb first started, there was also private property owners. did they complain? They probably think they are lucky to live in a good place and with hdb building cheap but ok flats for poor people, slums would disappear.

So why would a Singaporean aspire to live in a rental flat and therefore not work. The problem now is the pay is too low for Singaporeans. PR uses this place and the exchange rate to send monies back home. We can’t.

MBT demolishes all that. He prefers homeless people around Singapore that he insert into rental place as and when he likes. Anyone who thinks the execution of his selection for rental policy is coherent is out of his mind.

Of course, homeless people are not the only people MBT make fun of.

This pig also destroy supposedly rich people like Yeo Chow Tong, with his cock up building programme.

Back to Goh Cock talking who is trying to defuse tension against LHL/LKY/MBT, he should be ashamed that the govt he passed the baton to, destroy the gracious society concept that he cocks about.

Or have we been con all along.

This is unacceptable behaviour. You people have no respect. Better quietly stay in your little pigeonholes: they are the little piece of the country that you own and all you will ever own.

As God said to Job: Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? So, LKY (not me, the uppercase one) will ask you: where were you when I singlehandedly built the nation out of nothing? You better shut up or I will smite you with the lightning bolt of my wrath!

The rabble has grown lazy. Yes, you worship the false gods of laziness and Western democratic ideals! You need to have spurs dug into your hides! I will smite you in the middle of the night with my righteous right hand, the high priests of the ISD. And you will learn to fear and obey the one true Son.

//lky

LKY single handedly build Singapore?

Really?

How could that be possible? unless he is god.

I forgot to add that in this esc and whatever proposal leeHaveLied made, there is no indication of a sensible strategy to help the poor.

now that we even have homeless people. there must be poor people too.

How is he, as a leader, help to solve this problem?

I thought giving or helping to find a job for these poor people is a solution.

I don’t know what this govt is trying to do really?

1. cock up investments overseas.

2. don’t take care of poor Singaporeans.

3. always want monies from the people through taxes.

Also do you all notice the way PAP make monies is like those lazy land lord or gangster in the movies:

encircle a place.

place a entry gate.

Collect money from people going in or out.

This method is evident from the way they handle the foreigners.

Charge the employers for employing foreigners.
Keep increasing the charge until the employer cannot take it and stop.
Give him a bit more time and squeeze again.

IF they need more revenue, get more foreigners through and charge.

Now, that they declare they are increasing the levy (i.e. tax) by they are letting FT stay in HDB, it is basically like making more monies by charging more people that went through the gate at a price higher than before.

One wonders why this govt needs so much monies.

Where did the monies go?

Let me explain:

All LHL has proposed was to increase gst to help fund to help the poor.

But there is no coherent (even sensible) strategy to help the poor.

Even LKY didn’t think letting poor people rent is a solution (even short term) and say that that would make these people even poorer or stuck in poor.

I honestly don’t know why being in a rented place for 5 years would make me stay poor forever.

ALL the FT who came in probably had to do that.

I would have thought not having enough pay through skilled work is a sure route to misery.

Having skills might not get your out of poverty but it really increases your chance to get out of poverty.

And how does LKY expect people to learn if your living conditions are horrible i.e. you sleep in tents and playgrounds?

therefore, I don’t think it was ever the intention for LHL to help the poor when he raise GST.

If LHL really wants to help the poor, he should really ask LKY how he did it.

The fact that LHL didn’t know shows at least 3 things:

1. he is not interested.
2. he asked but LKY didn’t want to tell him.
3. he asked but LKY didn’t explain well. Maybe lky forgot. maybe he didn’t know. it was one of his officers who did the work (GKS for example)

Any of these 3 cases, I think it is sick to raise taxes in the name of helping the poor but didn’t think of a long term solution to help the poor and not to spend the all raised tax to help the poor.

By renting the en-bloc blocks to foreigners as an interim measure, it only serves to prove that this daft Minister is contradicting himself again when he said ” They …. should not be competing with needy families for rental flats.”

Remember he first contradicted himsel when he said “HDB flats are affordable”. If affordable, why is that so many families cannot cope with the monthly mortgage payments and have their HDB flats re-possessed.

So this particular enbloc development is not urgent but can be delayed again ?
So that they can sell at higher market prices ?
So they can use it as the next carrot for the next GE ?

Full of bullshit again from a typical idiot PAP Minister.

In Bedok South, Blk 30+, a ginger-coloured cat was locked in a cage outside a flat. SPCA was notified and an Inspector from the SPCA investigated. He found that the cat belonged to a person( (a local-bred Singaporean) temporarily residing in an already crowded flat because of her long wait for a rental flat. She showed the Inspector letter of appeal by the MPto the HDB and yet she and her cat are still waiting! So much for Singaporeans first!

“Some flats will be reserved as Interim Rental Housing for needy Singaporean families in financial difficulty with temporary accommodation”

Great job TOC! Suddenly they are ‘taking care’ of needy Singaporeans!! Keep up the heat!

Misfit

//100%Singaporean

just remember mbt told you to squeeze 7 to 8 in a 3 room not long ago but they are letting in ft with big rooms

With all the bashing against the govt, I really am wondering what are the solutions that the opposition parties or TOC itself would like to suggest in dealing with the issues of the homeless. I wonder whether they are even aware of the problems in the first place. So if people could not pay for their flats cos they did not budget properly or spent their money lavishly, the govt is supposed to use tax payers money to support them so they can stay on in their flat? And if they already sell their flats before, meaning they have already profitted from sale of their previous flats, we are to take from tax money to support them? Dun make sense right?

What about these people’s familiy, where are they in helping these homeless people?

Woah… it is appearing clearer that more and more Ghettos are being formed. So soon a entire neighbourhoold block can become “International Settlement” (租界) and it will be places where the police don’t dare to enter…

@Tiger:

Everyone knows when their car has broken down, but doesn’t mean they know how to fix it. If their current mechanics can’t fixed it, go to another one lah.

A lot of singaporeans don’t have spare moeny on food, not to mention “lavishly”.

Yes, a government’s first commitment is to its people, ensuring that their fundamental human rights are protected. That means that no fear from hunger, shelter, dignity, physical protection… the list can go on more about the government’s responsibility to its people.

Fundamentally do you see people as plain commodities that are disposable? If yes, then fiscal policy come first regardless.

“And if they already sell their flats before, meaning they have already profitted from sale of their previous flats…”

And that’s what happens when everyone is told their flats are assets that will appreciate over time no?

Before you start complaining about the maggots on the meat, ask who put the meat there for the flies to lays eggs on in the first place.

everything discovered here whether its from hdb or EMS as long as the top management is non other than any MIW MPs, its already a done deal case, as long as it makes alot of money, tell me who these MPs reports to at the end of the day? do you find any such similar cases happen to any other opp ward? its all about $$$ my fellow singaporeans.

What to do….in $ingapore, it is all about $$$

Time is ripe to tweak our political system.

[ The rest will be leased to S Pass and Employment pass holders. These are professionals, executives and [supervisory?] staff. ]

Prediction: We’ll be getting more white trash.

//tiger

for every singaporean that spend lavishly, you will find 9 that dOESN’T

this standard mode of operation of pap:

1. invent a term.

2. tell people why the term is good for singapore. (for example FT

3. after the election, admit anything that resembles that term such as FT.

4. we thought we got ft but in fact we got trash.

PAP is blinded by $$. They are using public resources to benefit their own pockets, (Keppel Land is shareholder of EM Services)(Ang mong seng is COO of EM services)

We are treated as second class citizens to be thrown crumbs when they wished to appease us, but abandoned when they don’t need to placate us.

From SM GCT: “Past models which have worked may not work in the future”.

So the current HDB policies are not working, when is the change???

tiger,

“With all the bashing against the govt, I really am wondering what are the solutions that the opposition parties or TOC itself would like to suggest in dealing with the issues of the homeless”

THIS IS THE STANDARD RESPONSE OF THE PAP GOVERNMENT WHENEVER THEY TALK ABOUT OPPOSITION PARTIES.

IN THE FIRST PLACE, SOLUTIONS DO NOT ORIGINATE FROM ONE MAN OR ONE PARTY. YOU NEED GOVERNMENT MACHINERY TO FORMULATE, EXECUTE AND EVALUATE POLICIES. IF YOU SILENCE CITIZENS WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR POLICY AND TELL THEM IF YOU WANT TO DO IT ANOTHER WAY, FORM THE NEXT GOVERNMENT, THEN THERE IS NO NEED FOR ELECTIONS AND THE VOTE.

SINCE WHEN DID THE PAP OUTLINE ALL THEIR POLICIES WAY BEFORE BEING ELECTED? NEVER. THEY FORMULATE THEM AS WORLD AND NATIONAL EVENTS TAKE PLACE. SO IT IS WITH ANYONE OF ALTERNATIVE VIEWS. IF A PERSON OR OPPOSITION PARTY IS ABLE TO COME UP WITH A SOLUTION WITHOUT BEING IN POWER, THEN IT OR HE/SHE MUST BE A FAKE.

CAN I ALSO ASK PAP MP ALVIN YEO, WHAT ARE HIS SOLUTIONS FOR THE SOCIAL AND ECONOMIC ILLS AFFLICTING SINGAPORE AT THE PRESENT TIME?

I KNOW WHAT HIS ANSWER WILL BE:

“I am a lawyer and not an economist.”

BUT YET HE BECAME MP.

DOUBLE STANDARDS BY THE RULING PARTY AS ALWAYS.

if you read gct’s explanation, you will be surprised at what he said:

he said employers wanted to grow so the govt gave them foreign workers.

but does the govt needs to hand out pr so quickly and in such a big amount?

blame pushing now?

Excellent point, NewFrontier. Well done.

if pap win the elections under the terms it set, don’t be surprised if they come around telling you that it is your fault for supporting them

If you read GCT explanation, you would be surprised by another thing:

if there is such a high demand for our services, would that not incentivise companies to recruit S’poreans massively and train them to help employers make more monies if the floodgate had not been open.

also, pay if increase by a lot over the last decade which it didn’t.

So, what GCT said is a another lie.

what I meant was

pay should increase by a lot over the last decade which it didn’t.

Also, he sounded apologetic.

Let’s make no mistake, the rate of approval of prs and citizenship is largely due to the last 2 years when the economy was not doing well.

Couldn’t he have use a system of employment pass? why does he need to give out citizenship and PRs during the last 2 years massively?

GCT is lying to keep his million dollars salary.

GCT is a habitual liar. What happened to “More Good Years” and “Swiss Standard of Living”?

So much for GCT.

Remember his Goal 2010. Singapore playing in the World Cup?? Now we may not even get to WATCH the World Cup…

What a joke…!!!

GCT claimed that he is instrumental in forging bilateral ties between SG and the ME. Pls, singaporeans have been doing business and infiltrating this market way before he flew his first-class ass there. What a liar !

Goal 2010 is from the hobbit MBT and not GCT.

Anyone can enlighten on the following? Conflict of interest?

Source: http://www.emservices.com.sg/em/AboutUs.aspx

Since our inception in 1988, EM Services Pte Ltd (EM Services) has been committed to delivering the highest standard of property management services. Founded as a joint venture between the Housing and Development Board and Keppel Land Limited, EM Services is now a leader in the field of property management services. Our premier range of services comprises property, engineering, contracts and project management in public housing, commercial and private properties

Source: http://www.rafflesmedicalgroup.com/web/contents/Contents.aspx?ContId=258

Mr Tham Kui Seng
Independent Director

Mr. Tham is a director of Straits Trading Company Limited, CapitaLand China Holdings Pte Ltd and Alexandra Health Private Limited. He also serves on the Board of The “Housing and Development Board (HDB)” and chairs “EM Services Private Limited”. Mr. Tham was the former Chief Corporate Officer of CapitaLand Limited and also served as the Chief Executive Officer of CapitaLand Residential Limited.

Mr. Tham holds a Bachelor of Arts (Honours) in Engineering Science from the University of Oxford, UK. He joined the Board on 1 October 2009 .

This is so unfair.

I quote my own experiences. I try 2 rent a HDB flat becos i couldnt afford it earns more than 1500 (total). And i couldnt rent it. Yet they r renting it to foreigner people that earns more than me. Is that the way for u to treat citizens…why citizens always have so many restrictions?

Singapore Technologies have more than 60% foreigners, it exceed quota. Yet u insist on giving foreigners in ST perm jobs while locals get contract job just becos u want the whole world to know ur education system is good.

I dont like this lying gov anymore.

I saw some block along PIE before exiting Kallang Bahru that are like that too.. I believe its SERs too.

Toc please go check it out!!!

@tiger – Feb 5, 2010 11:02 -

Tiger with a PAP attitude: you die your business, isn’t Singapore belongs to Singaporean and why can’t we share the same rice bowl.

If you want to know how the opposition solves the housing problem, first you got to vote them in as government. TOC is already doing something to help the homeless by letting the public know. Ask not what other can do for you, ask what tiger can do for the nation.

There are good times as well as bad times for anyone, maybe tomorrow it could be you in trouble. It is not uncommon that millionaires become a pauper if they are not careful. If you don’t have a good word to add to the less fortunate at least don’t add salt to their wound.

Don’t be too happy if there is more homeless people, they may one day come to rob your family. Even your life may be jeopardize if you continue to let the homeless grow.

If I happen to know you and your family, I will ask them how helpful you are to them. A person with PAP attitude: you die your business, I doubt you really know how to care for your family.

“What happened to “More Good Years” and “Swiss Standard of Living”?

aiyoh, standard marketing talk lah. just to make you feel shiok shiok.

when our country was not so rich so many many years ago, we did not feel so much stress.

now they say country is so tip-top & rich, and yet we feel so much stress.

lon lon ago before luke skywalker takled princess amitalah..there was a long curved block in tampinese built with multirooms on this special block..it has both 3 rooms/4 rooms flats(brand new)
when iwas visitin the particular block on an adhoc odd job..i noticed few flats was empty even though it was on sales more than 5 years ago.. i asked the resident why was it not bein sold? overprized or what?
the resident told me..this is a special deal handled by the defunct hdb managment itself…
it was catered for ^DOWNGRADER^ 4/5rooms owner who cannot pay their loans on time..
you can no longer serviced your 4/5 room flat?..not a problemo @ all
we hdb got a new scheme for you poor peasants..you just downgrade to a brand new 3 room flat lark..
ready as well..good locations somemore..tampENIS hor..home of the hdb minister himself(as though he reside in tha area)….
see? hdb very kind type guranteed you won’t be HOMELESS @ all…just swallowed your pride lark..my fello singapooriums…go to where no poor people gone before….
~sigh~

If MBT and HDB themselves, break the HDB rental flat eligibility law , those applicants for rental flats can now file a complaints to CASE or the courts to seek redress and MBT and HDB should be fined and make to pay compensation to those applicants who are put at extreme distress condition for their waiting period for the rental flats.

“Anyone can enlighten on the following? Conflict of interest?

Source: http://www.emservices.com.sg/em/AboutUs.aspx

Since our inception in 1988, EM Services Pte Ltd (EM Services) has been committed to delivering the highest standard of property management services. Founded as a joint venture between the Housing and Development Board and Keppel Land Limited, EM Services is now a leader in the field of property management services. Our premier range of services comprises property, engineering, contracts and project management in public housing, commercial and private properties”

This is exactly what the Reform Party is talking about. A bloated GLC that monopolises businesses across all sectors and segments of the various industries. It is little wonder we are a nation with one of the lowest rate of entrepreneurs. How to compete with all these mega companies feeding off public funds and state coffers for their ever expanding empires ? Not to mention having unfair practices of colluding with their own “kakis”. It is high time these GLCs be disbanded and dissolved. Only then will the private sector thrive on a more dynamic pace.

Looks like HDB would rather rent the flats to FTs/FWs than to needy Sporeans without home. It all boils down to dollars and cents. In this country, everything is about money and more money. No money no talk. Among the Stats boards, HDB has the worst customer service, even those in higher management are rude and unhelpful. Their replies are usually based on SOP and at times, downright rude. This organization is the worst that I have come across.

Hello whoincharge

Its not luke skywalker who tackled queen amidala (not princess), it was anakin

What happen to today’s posts? Have they been deleted?

Okay now i see them… sorry

[i]anakin
Feb 5, 2010 18:07
Hello whoincharge

Its not luke skywalker who tackled queen amidala (not princess), it was anakin
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hee hee tiokang 1 lark(purposelee)
you wouldn’t want luke skywalker to sleep with his mother right?
that against yoda rules(yoda also fancied her.. me also…even me lesbo fren kiwi the butch)

This SERS scam also happened in Boon Lay. The residents of Blks 216 to 220 sought the help of their MP to plead with HDB to spare their flats but were turned down, citing structural defects, redevelopment plan for the estate, etc. The residents were relocated to some ulu unwanted flats in Jurong West extension. Many of these residents could ill-afford the new flats but they didn’t have a choice. HDB’s stand was simple: Take it or Leave it. Months past and the flats are now rented to foreign workers. Suddenly, the flats became fit for dwelling!? Talk about being played out by HDB and the inadequacy of MP. HDB is king and they will do you in any pattern they want, and they still have the cheek to declare they made losses!

PAP & HDB are in collusion here when it comes to terminology & choice of words. The key word is SERS & that changes everything. SERS does not cover the umbrella public rental for Spore citizens thingy. It is an all encompassing brotherhood/sisterhood thingy, all are welcome to stay here.

But, do not think its fair. How about renting it to couples who are married and are Spore citizens waiting for their BTO flats which takes about 4 to 5 years to complete, single parents with kids, hardship cases.

I just got a flat, its being built now.
I will be sitting on 200K loan soon. Scared shitless.

Today I called Starhub and a foriegner answered the call, it really made me sick.
Come on, a job like that, I think any Singaporean will be able to do.

I know the PAP did good before. Now it is just lost. I clearly remember their election campaign policies…it was James Gomez, James Gomez and CCTV….now after some years…we are like sitting ducks.

It is time to put better people in or we would certainly lose our future.

why so many companies are related, joint ventures with gov?

is it a way to get more $$$ for who?

@ prettyplace

“It is time to put better people in or we would certainly lose our future.”

This is where you come in

I grew up in the same estate as those Bedok flats. I have moved out when I started my own family in 2007. In fact from my dad’s flat, I can see those blocks. This estate is great. Huge carparks, peaceful, very convenient place to live with many shops and a good variety too, near good bus services and the Tanah Merah and Bedok MRTs. The residents from blocks 46 to 50 have been vacated long ago and I am sure they did not get a good deal from the HDB. For those who are old enough to remember, these flats are the larger older types. Block 46 is mainly 3-room while 47 to 50 are 4-rooms. My heart breaks to think of these HUNDREDS of large old-style flats going to all sort of foreigners when many young recently married Singaporeans can’t get a flat. If these flats were offered to young Singaporean couples instead, I am sure many would really love it. Yes, these are 30 year old flats but the size, location and amenities are great. Plus, so what if they are old, get a decent reno work done and you won’t feel like your flat is old. And forget about that 99 year thing…who lives to 99 anyway?! Damn! If I had been offered a flat there and at a truly affordable price which I can pay off within 15 years, I would grab it! Now, just to keep cost low, I am living in Jurong West…buying a repossessed flat with unlucky fengshui! Isolated from all my family who live in the east. Sigh…

Sparkles, how much did you pay for your “repossessed flat” ? Have you asked yourself whether one of those homeless people that Andrew and Joshua have been meeting in the parks used to live where you now live?

My point is that it’s very easy to blame the government as the sole cause for the homeless problem, but we also contribute to it by our desire to get a “good” price – when we buy a flat, when we sell a flat – all of us look for the best price. I’m sure you didn’t pay a record-setting price when you bought your home. And yet when you sell your flat, you’ll be asking for a higher price, or at the very least, something close to what you paid for.

I have a radical thought – what if all of us reading these articles rent out a room in our flats to one of these homeless families for the exact amount that they’re supposed to pay to HDB for a 1-room flat. We’ll be helping them and showing the government that we are not just NATO, and we’re putting social work before profiteering.

Any takers?

Anyone,

Just because most people would not be willing to take up your ‘radical thought’ doesn’t mean it is an issue they shouldn’t care about. Ever since the story broke, we’ve had people offering donations, students offering their time etc for the homeless… that is care and concern enough.

Two, you mentioned greed. Sure, it is only human nature to want to profit, especially from something you work very hard for. Now Singaporeans get blamed (no less!) by the government for the spike in prices etc. Maybe you wanna consider who are the people ramming home the home-is-your-best-asset message all these while.

Just to digress a bit.

Adjusting for inflation and wage increases over the years, on average it takes a person five to six times longer (ie – 30 years) to pay off his mortgage of an HDB flat than a person working a similar job in the ’70s would need to. (5-6 years)

I think people are waking up to the fact that it is more in their interest to have cheaper flats that they do not have to slog so hard for just for that potential $100-200,000 profit 30 years down the road where one may possibly have died from cancer and hypertension for having worked so hard anyway.

i totally lost faith in HDB and PAP, and hope my $ is still in CPF :(

FT compete jobs with locals, resulted from PAP policy.

now, opposition party fight seats with PAP, it is eye for an eye.

time to change for the better.

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twasher
Feb 5, 2010 0:54

Another thing that would be interesting to find out about JTC’s SHiFT scheme is whether the rent they offered is below market rates. If so, JTC would be effectively subsidizing the rents of foreign talent while forcing Singaporeans who need to rent onto the free market. Here are screenshots I took of the current flats available under that scheme:

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I used to rent 3room flat in Tanglin Halt form JTC SHiFT but last year they want me to pay SGD15xx/month. Because of this I buy 4room flat in woodlands. Take loan for 20years with SGD8xx/month. The way I look it no such thing as “real free market in Singapore”. I think because some Policy maker make decision than the renting flat go lie crazy.

Work Camps for foreigners -> Singapore is turning into Nazi Germany under Dictator LEE KUAN YEW

http://fashionablefacistdictator.wordpress.com/

City of Possibilities…….for non-S’poreans!!!

Mah Bow Tan can talk anyway he likes because he knows he is MM Lee blue eye boy. Last time when Singaporeans ask for cycling lane he said not enough land in Singapore to build cycling lane. Now some other MP took over and we see cycling lanes being built all around. Wow, suddenly Singapore grew more land already huh!

i just cant stand it that all these PRS are taking up our flats… causing the market prices to soar like shit. im homeless n got stuck in a rut. sold off 5 room flat in recession n for 3yrs now, still left hanging cos the damn 3 room house prices soared even higher than the cost of the 5 room flat bought. sheesh~. cant wait to take my $ n get out frm here once i grad man.

i cant wait for change in this country.

sigh…

why all these multi-million dollars donkeys just don’t listen with their ears, but with their butts huh??? have they got any heart or not? let’s reverse it , if their family or their own children are those homeless people, will they totally ignore???

ask their conscience??? will they really ignore??? i believe that these people will get divine retribution for all the evil and wicked things that they done. chinese always have a saying : you reap what u sow. so eventually if there is any ministar who is reading this page, they better be prepared for a divine retribution that is going to happen in their and also their families lives too!!! mark my words!!!

IT WILL SURELY HAPPEN!!!

Instead of offering a email address for HDB or EMAS to repy (I am sure they would not), could TOC consider pester HDB or MND (and i mean really pester.. reminders after reminders) for an offical reply ??

It would be interesting to see how they will explain this. If there is no reply, then it is really telling and surely heads must roll …

renting out these SERS blocks to foreigners and then building blocks in Pasir Ris and Tampines to rent out to Singaporeans? Wouldn’t it make more sense, more effective and faster to just rent these SERS to Singaporeans? But of course, by doing so HDB will not make the profit that they have planned.

Singaporeans first, really?

@ brainwash

singaporeans first, for LIP SERVICE only

for other services e.g. HDB, SERS, PRs, foreigners come first

Boon Lay rental flats no longer under HDB. They are sold to LHN Group to sublet to Singaporeans and Foreigners at very high price. Really money minded HDB, something only MBT can accomplish. His trademark moves. Top money spinning machine for LKY.

THIS IS MADNESS!!!

Quote from LKY.

Yep he should repeat it after me again… :)

Let me tell those who want the PAP out. There is no way the PAP will be out as long as the old man keep his control. If you have a dog standing  on the PAP banner the dog will definitely win I will assure you that. It’s no point, don’t waste your breath, there are so many people in Singapore who have no back bones and will definitely vote for PAP whatever animal stands under the PAP banner.  We Singaporeans are well frogs without knowing the meaning of freedom.  Goodluck to all those freedom fighters. The impossible will only be possible after the old man had died.

Hey Singaporeans…

Whats the point of moaning and groaning on the internet forum? What happens when elections come? All of you will vote for the pap. This has been happening for years and years.

There is no point posting threads and threads on forums. Its nt going to change the situation. Its time to act. The government has gone too far and they need reminding that they are the Peoples servant.

So what are all of you gonna do, is the question…

can i know who is the contracter of this building??