In the 30 October, Saturday, edition of the Straits Times (page A14), it was reported that NTU student Lim Zi Rui was telling SM Goh about how younger Singaporeans no longer feel a sense of belonging to the country. Here is the exchange, as reported by the Straits Times (bold emphasis ours):
“This is your country,” SM Goh replied. “What do you want me to do to make you feel you belong?”
“For my part, don’t worry about me,” Mr Lim said. “I will definitely do something, if I can, for Singapore. But I can tell you honestly that the sentiment on the ground is a bit different.”
“If that is prevalent among young people over here, we’ve got a real problem,” SM Goh said. “If the majority feel they don’t belong here, then we have a fundamental problem. Then I would ask myself: What am I doing here? Why should I be working for people who don’t feel they belong over here?“
(Read Yahoo’s report of the exchange here.)
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American president Barack Obama, after having won the US presidency:
“And to those Americans whose support I have yet to earn – I may not have won your vote tonight, but I hear your voices, I need your help, and I will be your president too.“
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Let me go back to an earlier post in 2008. It was Obama vs LHL. After 2 years in the White House, hhow do they measure up?
I think LHL is more clever than Obama. Certainly his academic record is superior to Obama’s even though the latter was a law professor and editor of the Harvard Law Review.Obama can connect with the young better but as the polls are showing he is losing his touch. He has the whole of the USA to choose his cabinet team but selected poorly. LHL has only parliamentary members to fish but his team is far and away superior to Obama’s.(For Obama’s economic team he could only go back to the old Clintonites,apart from Paul Volcker). By contrast, LHL’s team is superior, man for man. I would choose Shamugaratnam anyway day to Geithner, George Yeo to Clinton, Chee Hean to what’s his name. Of course, we also have LKY, GCT, Shmaugan, Ng Eng Hean, etc. Not only cleverer but more in tune with the people (but this may be due to Parliamentary system as opposed to the Presidential).
On the financial crisis, LHL is far ahead of Obama. Two years later and after spending trillions, the US economy is still sluggish and may yet go into a double dip recession. Maybe he does not really understand economics. Singapore got out within a year and is bound for the highest growth rate in the world with 15%.
Oratorical skills, Obama is a class by himself, no doubt. But he is not so effective without the telepromter which LHL does not use. And let’s face it, after sometime we want substance (read jobs), not words. In spite of his oratory, he has not managed to turn America round and his party will suffer cruel losses that will lose the lower house to the Republicans and even possibly the Senate. That means we will have a lame duck president for the next 2 years.
I teared when Obama won and still supported him strongly.But he got his priorites wrong in the first term. The Singapore government knew that jobs was the way out of a recession and worked very hard to get the tripartite parties together to get us out of the bind. Obama just pumped money into the economy. Even his banking reforms were so-so,surrounded as he was by Wall Street people. LHL has a better understanding of how thw world works compared to Obama.
One of the things Obama got wrong in his priorites was in health care. Health care reform was a great achievement and maybe given the situation he was in, the only time he could have squeezed in the legislation. But it took away the focus on the economy. It was a historic moment but how much better it would have been if he had solved the economic problems first and then in a stonger position, both in the country and in Congress, he would not have to make the compromises he had to in the health bill. And perhaps more importantly, he would have maintained his bipartisan approach to important issues, the platform he campaigned on.
My choice?LHL anyday.
Dear TOC,
I refer to SM Go’s remarks.
I believe ST has chosen to censor a key part of SM Goh’s reply.
I refer to TODAY paper where the actual quote was used and on CNA news report…SM Goh actually said something along these lines:
“If the minority feel they dont belong here, fair enough..If the majority feel they don’t belong here, then we have a fundamental problem..”
May I know why minorities who dont feel a sense of belonging to the nation are not worthy of the state’s attention?
Traveller
My choice?LHL anyday.
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if you HAV a choice to start with..
then again..obama do not hav the luxury of a GRC tagged team to hold his trouser
let alone 1 prata presidente..1 mental father minister and TWO senile ministers behind him…
Alfian,
I think what GCT meant is minority as in
lesser number of people and not minority
as a race.
But then didn’t he once said every citizen counts so why state that if its is minority of citizens, then its not a
problem?
What kind of man married what of woman. Are we surprise from a man that the wife consider millions as peanuts?!
He is not an eloquent man, is all. Not all bad.
@Traveller,
using a little sense of proportion, i will not be so quick to accept LHL over Obama or any world leader who runs a humongous country and not some tiny island.
by the way, you cannot be serious about thinking so highly of LHL. i view him as spineless and clueless and it’s obvious one of us is a dud when it comes to assessing and judging the leader of a country.
for Singapore’s sake, i pray you are right about LHL and his ministars.
in the mean time, i suggest you read and digest his pre-election speech in 2006.
as for the above post on Goh CT and Obama, i am inclined to see it as a purpose, to show that Goh CT can do better when attempting to connect with his young audience.
afterall, it has to do with the coming GE and it’s quite obvious Goh is trying to get a feel of the ground sentiment prevailing amongst our young voters.
to me, Goh’s style of communication is so out dated, typical of PAP, can always count on them to be condescending. LOL
The usual response to any acheivement Singapore has made is that we are a small island. As a small island we do not have the scale of a home market so we have to make oursleves useful to the world. As a small country, we have no natural resources so we have to have the best public eduaction system in the world so that others can find us useful. As a small country, we have a very little margin for error and any mistake is amplified to the pint that we may become history. As a small country, we have to tread carefully in foreign affairs. As a small country we are extremely vulnerable so we have built up a respectable army, even producing our own weapons. It’s no small miracle that in the aftermath of the sacking by Malaysia and not exactly surrounded by the friendliest of neighbours we have negotiated so delicately to reach where we are today. A friend of all the major powers, all faiths (the Christian west, the Islamic Middel East), the Hindu India , the Confucianist/Daoist/Buddhist Chinese, the Shinto/Buddhist Japan, etc) and even a model for many larger countries. Would Obama done as well for Singapore? I doubt it very much.
Traveller
so we have to make oursleves useful to the world. As a small country, we have no natural resources so we have to have the best public eduaction system in the world so that others can find us useful.
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if we are so useFOOL to the world
why are the pap government importin foreign talents and hav yet to find any foreign talents to replace the eatricewasteseeds overpaid ministers?
are you implyin that all this ^TALENTED^ overaged ministers are so highLEE educated they made no MISTAKES and is irreplaceable?
Traveller, 1 November 2010
our public education so good, but when recession hit. people are said to lack the needed skills for the frontline industries?
our minisiters have such a wide margin of error leh…
respectable army of conscripts that bosses loath? lol…
a friend of all major powers, when sh*t-hits-the-fan, will they help where it counts? or will they just offer lip service? afterall, its a fact that S’pore does not have any natural resources. what major powers can do is to safeguard their own citizens. when major powers clash, S’pore will be hung out to dry!
its not what you can do, its the amount of support you have. a leader with no one to lead isn’t a leader.
The difference between Obama’s response and GCT’s (and his PAP colleages’) boils down to arrogance and complacency. PAP has grown complacent and very arrogant. They know Sinkies don’t have the guts to vote them out!!! They know Sinkies would succumb to money thrown at them near election.
You can accuse the PAP of many things but complacnecy is not one of them. I have talked to some of these guys. They think 30 years ahead. Which is why we have managed to weather the storms so well.LHL descrbes the PAP as the paranoig government and I think that’s a fair description.
next PM of sincity writes that I should read LHL’s speech of 2006. I was actually at the rally at Raffles Place when he made the ‘fix’ opposition remark.
The choice of word is regretable and to my mind a huge mistake. But the substance of what he said, which is that politicking will divert his attention from national issues is not untrue. Maybe this is part of the paranoid government. I understand that he apologized for the remark.
//They think 30 years ahead.//????
1. You increase another 10 years? I understand from the old PAP guard that they only think 20 years.
2. Must be some 30 years indeed that our Orchard road and several other areas flood.
3. Must be some 30 years indeed that it was discovered that many would have not enough in their CPF to retire.
4. Must be some 30 years indeed when they failed to put a brake on 2 is enough policy that we now need to open the flood gate of FT and not forgetting aging population.
5. Must be some 30 years indeed when Mas Salemat can limb his way out of a so-called high security compound and not forgetting escape over to Malaysia (until now also don’t know how).
6. Must be some 30 years to keep losing money to foreign investment and come back to drain the people blood money.
7. Must be some 30 years that now the HDB price is rocketing high and not enough for the young couple.
The list go on and on and on……
Accusation? LOL, you are funny traveller.
“Why should I be working for people who don’t feel they belong over here?“”
mmmmmm……. $2m+ per annum ? what should you ?????????? but….. you are not doing for free ……..
traveller 1 November 2010 “They think 30 years ahead”
Are you referring to the cpf withdrawal age. This is one thing I hope they do not need to think too much.
@Traveller,
the more you talk, the more i am inclined to think you are just as complacent as the PAP.
PM Lee’s message to tv viewers was 8min 53 secs and he promised alot! sadly, you seem to recall only the “fix opposition remark”
ps: for the record, the apology from the under confident PM came a few days later.
to me, what’s the point attending PM Lee’s rally if one does not register what he is saying, especially all his promises…like ensuring no one is left behind, even the weakest will be given help, we are one people, moving ahead together,….etc, etc, at the end of it all, it was merely a pretender putting his message across without conviction.
can you now say for certain that PM Lee and his team of ministars have delivered ? even if you think so because you and your family are comfortable, how many Sporeans actually agree with you?
ps: the upgrading in Hougang at this stage is not going to change the sentiments on the ground. time for PAP to reap what they sow. LOL
“As a small island we do not have the scale of a home market” – Traveller
1. There is now no boundary to markets.
2. Some other countries are tiny compared to say China, US & other countries but their brands hv made it WORLDWIDE.
If you just travel & don’t learn about others way of living & culture, you don’t appreciate them.
RED-man please allow me to add on to your list…
1) Must be 30 years indeed that the setting up of more ERPs could solve traffic problems.
2) Must be 30 years indeed that GST increase could help the poor.
3) Must be some 30 years indeed that by increasing salary, corruption will be kept at bay.
4) Must be some 30 years indeed that Olympic games medals could be bought by foreigners.
5) Must be some 30 years indeed that no one will starve and someone would bring food to the table for everyone.
6) Must be some 30 years indeed that we feel so rich when we look at our CPF statements every month.
7) Must be some 30 years that all foreigners are here because they are talents and able to contribute to our economy.
8) Must be some 30 years indeed that prices of HDB flats keep rising so that young couples could not afford it.
9) Must be some 30 years indeed that sporting events like YOG justify costs because it is able to attract global attention and market singapore to the world.
10) Must be some 30 years indeed that casinos will generate income despite its social ills.
11) Must be some 30 years indeed that all foreigners are here for construction ONLY and they are not here to compete against our livelihoods.
12) Must be some 30 years indeed that the massive defense spending is justified to defend our country while we are losing jobs to foreigners.
13) Must be some 30 years indeed that the mainstream papers which are made to report daily happy news such as “big garoupa caught in ponggol river” will keep everyone happy instead of the real bread and butter issues.
14) Must be some 30 years indeed that astounding paid tv fees for sporting events such as EPL and World Cup will not deprive the poor from viewing the games.
14) Must be some 30 years indeed that free arguments against policies are not accepted because they disrupt social fabric.
15) Must be some 30 years indeed that MRT squeeze is nothing because its not really that full and its up to your choice whether to go in.
16) Must be some 30 years indeed that upgrading one’s skills continuously will keep one employable.
The list go on and on and on……
After only 18 mths in the oval office,Americans are ready to remove the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.After 44 yrs in the Parliament,Singaporeans are still not ready to remove the PAP government.So,who is better?
MR.Obama or PM LEE?.
preston loon
Singaporeans are still not ready to remove the PAP government.So,who is better?
MR.Obama or PM LEE?.
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you meant obama should start suein ALL the republicans and holds hands with 1 jew senator/latino senator/1 korean senator & last butt not least 1 somolia dictator to form a grc gay tagged team as votin RIGHTS?
without a doubt obama’s father must also bein a senoir senator as well? right?
Complacent? How come we got out of the recession so fast?
Sincity asks:
How many people would agree with me? Let’s see. In the last emlections, the PAP won 66% of the popular vote where these were cast. These exclude constituencies such as Tanjong Pagar which was uncontested. And of those who did not vote PAP, many did so not because they did not support government policies but they just wanted a stronger oppostion voice.If we add all these, maybe 70%? We have a citizen population of 4.2M (I think).That’s about 3M. That’s how many people agree with me.
yes, obama can only talk, cannot do. now unemployment in America still stands at 10%, vs. Singapore 2.1%. who is better? You decide
econometrician
if we only talked about Goh and Obama…, from a Singaporean perspective, I would say Obama.
1. Goh did NOTHING as far as I can tell, whereas Obama introduced a trillion(?) dollar budget that (along with European budgets and grants) turned the economy, and thus improving Singapore’s economy.
2. Obama talks better. Feels good listening to him. I cringed when Goh talks.
p.s US unemployment figures are more accurate because pple can get benefits when they are out of job. Singapore’s figures are hidden behind the definitions of employment, and Singaporean/PR/resident.
Traveller 2 November 2010
Complacent? How come we got out of the recession so fast?
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we got out of recession?
fwah lau…then our heartlands/shoppin malls shopkeepers must be visitn the IR casinos so REGULARLEE that they closed the shutters for INDEFINITE…right?
who told YOU we out of recesssion…
@preston loon, 2 November 2010
“….After only 18 mths in the oval office,Americans are ready to remove the DEMOCRATIC PARTY.After 44 yrs in the Parliament,Singaporeans are still not ready to remove the PAP overnment.So,who is better?….”
After 60 years the North Korean Central committee is still in power. So, they/NK is doing better than LHL/S’pore?
Obama has been in office less than 2 years; LHL 6+ years. Obama inherited lots of shit from the previous admin. both demon. and repub.; LHL inherited a good system largely built by the old guard and the PEOPLE of Singapore. Starting with shit on his table, Obama has since won the Nobel Peace Prize, ending up the mess in Iraq, embarked on healthcare reforms, etc. etc… LHL, starting with a golden spoon in his mouth, had allow a top terrorist to exit accomodation in S’pore & migrate to M’sia, permit 4-5 floodings every 1-2 years (recall the benchmark was once in 50 years), won no international awards but an open letter from Reporters Without Borders, etc., etc.
Obama didn’t think he should be paid more than what he is paid. LHL demanded for more, till he is now the highest paid head of state/country.
Oh, America having open borders, has maintained about 12.5-13.5% foreign content of the population. Under Obama, I think the number has decreased from 12.6% to 12.5%. Under LHL, our foreign content of population has increased to 37% and rising. You posed the right question. Who is better – Obama or LHL?
SM Goh’s retort clearly confirms the atttitude of MIWs towards ‘LESSER MORTALS’.
the trouble is that the ‘minority’ in mr goh’s perception is actually the ‘MAJORITY’ of true blue born and bred singaporeans including not a few ‘OLDIES’ recklessly forced out of their jobs by the ill-conceived and disastrously implemented FT policy.
it shows many MIWs like SM goh are indeed living a life of luxury in ivory towers,oblivious to the needs of the majority of common Singaporeans.
@lobo76, 2 November 2010
“….p.s US unemployment figures are more accurate because pple can get benefits when they are out of job. Singapore’s figures are hidden behind the definitions of employment, and Singaporean/PR/resident….”
I hope someone or TOC can do an article into what is the actual jobless in Singapore. Last week, the ST truimphed that our jobless is very low, at 2.1%. Yet further down the pages, it ran an article of a Senior job fair, quoting 185,000 jobless who are 50 and above. Obviously, 185K is already about 6-7% of the workforce, or near 4% of population! I know for fact those under retraining is taken off the unemployment listing. Is this the international standard of measuring jobless? Also, just on the ground, I perceive those out of a job is definitely more than 2.1%. Just ask your friends, relatives, etc. Out of 100, do you guys find only 2 out of job???
Traveller
“….We have a citizen population of 4.2M (I think).That’s about 3M. That’s how many people agree with me….”
I think you are travelling too much that you don’t know the ground situation. During 2006 elections, only about 34% voted PAP out of about 2.1m eligible voters, making at most 714K agreeing with you. So, you have photostated your number about 4x, just like the YOG budget was overblown about 3x. You are either a victim to believe the 66% figure, or a moron or knowing the truth but bluffing your way. I suggest you read/hear more from both sides of a story.
PS. for those doubting either of us, pls search 2006 Singapore elections and work the numbers yourself. I think even a 10-year-old can do it and verify the facts.
@ traveller
“They think 30 years ahead. Which is why we have managed to weather the storms so well.LHL descrbes the PAP as the paranoig government and I think that’s a fair description.”
Did you meet them in your dream? or did you meet them in your imagination? If they can think 30 years ahead they would:
1) have been the one who trigger the technology revolution.
2)Problems wouldn’t have occurred as they would have foresee in advance
3) Mas Selamat wouldn’t have escape as WKS would have thought out way in advance what the detention centre lacks
4) our SWF wouldn’t have suffered such lost, and instead will be doing better than BH because they think out 30 years in advance
Come on traveler, who are you trying to trick here? you can spin stories, create praises for your imaginary friend and such….but get your facts straight…
and do you think controlling a small country with this population is harder than the US of A that is bigger, has more diverse population, and more complex in so many other ways?
“You can accuse the PAP of many things but complacnecy is not one of them. I have talked to some of these guys.”
Complacency is not one of them? please get your mind check. Look at their past comments, and even now. It reeks of complacency. And yes, you did spell wrongly traveler.
Oh yah, perhaps you have not read or is simply ignorant about the fact that our dear LKY tries to lecture the french leader on governance, and the reply was…what is he trying to do…he is only governing something the size of Marseilles
and don’t forget, the bigger a country, the complexity increase exponentially. And remember the fact that US has a trillion dollar economy while ours is peanut in comparison.
econometrician, 2 November 2010
is Singapore’s unemployment rate really 2.1%? can the stats be rusted to reflect the ground situation 100%?
if really want to compare stats then the same methods to derive the stats must be used. if not, any comparison is just a feel good exercise.
After reading all the comments I feel obliged to mention that whilst many of you lambaste traveller on his false information and inaccurate figures (I do not wish to comment on them), Singapore is indeed faring well as a country. Singapore despite all odds, managed to brave through and turned this fishing village into a world class economic hub. However, this is by the doings of our MM Lee. This has got nothing to do with LHL.
Also, all of you should note that comparisons between the leadership of LHL and Obama is akin to comparing between apples and oranges. I.e, they are too different to be compared. @ Traveller, please acknowledge that the social economics of the United States is vastly and inherently much more complex than Singapore’s. Bear in mind hundreds of years of history as compared to 45years.
As for turning around this economy during the recession, I would say that Singapore managed to and has always been able to do so simply because we get under the radar. Take China for example, Singapore is pretty much doing the same thing as them by exporting much more than importing, (never mind the undervalued Yuan). Look at how the states respond to it. Again I reiterate, we get under the radar so we get by. I am not saying that that is a bad thing, in fact, it is great. My take away point here is just that comparisons between leaders of Singapore and the US is very inappropriate, basically because both countries are exposed to very different parameters, where modifications in statistical figures simply will not work. It all boils down to what we learnt in primary school; it is not a fair test.
Lastly I would like to add, one of the key points of leadership is charisma. Between LHL and Obama, I think we all know who comes up on top.
@ theforgottongeneration,
What good is it for a president who won the Nobel peace price when his country has 10% unemployment.What good is it to have the health care reform written into law when his country cannot afford this expensive
socializes health care program.To rekindle your memory,the Nobel peace prize was awarded to him months before Mr.Hussien Barrack Obama is swear into his office.During the presidential campaign,didn’t Mr.Obama says ‘CHANGE HE CAN’to be his slogan?.How come 2 yrs later,the people of America,both democrats and republican supporters are turfing his party out of existence in today mid-term election?.Are the people of
America stupid or they have realized that they have chosen the wrong person to lead their country?.Your numbers on foreign content is only half truth as you have forgotten to include those illegal migrants crossing the open borders everyday which amounted to another 15%to 20%.Mr.Obama made a lot of promises,but fail to delivered.
What is the point of you supporting a would be low-paying leader running a nation but fail to lead.Having a nobel peace prize for a person do not make a country proud,but making a country with an airport,airline #1,unemployment at 2.5%,the richest nation in Asia and #17 amongst the prosperous countries in the world would really make us proud.
By the way,Singapore has no debts and has
a vast currency reserves.What do America have?Nothing but 17 trillion dollars in debts and counting.So,who is the best?Mr.OBAMA or Mr.LEE?.
Obama will not say you are a vuvuzela or sue you till bankrupt. Goh is tired of eating peanuts. He should just retire and wait for State funeral.
traveller
If they were thinking 30 years ahead as you claim, do tell me why we ended up having to bring in millions to booast our population. Whose great idea was the stop at two policy. Were they thinking ahead when they did that.
Look at our retirement fund. Having the higest rate of savings in the world and Singaporeans now do not have enough to retire..thinking 30 years ahead.
The only think they thought 30 years ahead was how to suppress opposition and keep themselves in power and reqard themselves with millions..that has been proven without doubt..
To traveller,
There is a huge difference between the governance of the US and Singapore. Singapore is *SMALLER* in size and population than NY, Chicago, SF. The US population is very diverse in political views than our more or less homogenous views despite the groundswell of unhappiness with the PAP. This huge diversity is reflected in their Congress from the extreme right and to the left compared to our parliament which is essentially conservative. Obama is not king and cannot force Congress to do what he wants. The Republicans have mostly thwarted what Obama wanted to do (and yet he has passed health care and wall street reform) while GCT has a compliant majority in Parliament. So no, you are comparing a very large apple to a watermelon seed. If we swap GCT for Obama, I doubt if GCT can do 1% what Obama has done so far.
I apologize. I should have considered only voters not citizens. My mistake,
@traveller,
many netizens have responded to you and you can do better than just being complacent like the PAP, replying with no conviction.
you can take plenty of positives from the comments here, i.e think before you talk so much lah!
in the mean time traveller, wait for the day the PAP leaders can actually travel 30 years into the future and they bring you along. come back after that, and proclaim they can think 30 years ahead. LOL
traveller 3 November 2010
I apologize. I should have considered only voters not citizens. My mistake,
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WHY?
might as well considered ONLEE RC members instead
preston loon 3 November 2010
@ theforgottongeneration,
What good is it for a president who won the Nobel peace price
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WHY?
can leekingyou/leehsienloong win 1?
you think what..nobel prize is machiam machiam COE..can anyhow bid for it?
i remembered 1 sayin…
1 who cannot swim blamed his balls is heavy..yet mas sala can swimm with a limb to johore..off course prestonloon would hav said..mas sala hav SMALL balls
@preston loon, 3 November 2010
Oh, since we don’t have a budget deficit, so we can overblow 287m taxpayers’ monies on a kiddie party for vanity sake? Smart.
If someone has an international award, and another belittle that person, it is called a sour grape. Let’s have a mid-term election and we will see the results; no need to wait till Feb 2012.
Recall LHL said 2 weeks(?) ago he would do things differently in hindsight, maybe 5-10 years back? Considering he has been in charge for 6+ years, isn’t that an admission that he had wasted 6+ years doing yesteryears things rather than tomorrow’s things? Is this leadership?
You want to include illegals into the equation?? Is that why one is paid US$400K and another US$2.1m?? Or the thousands of Malaysians commuting between Johore and Spore EVERY DAY? Is our foreign content competiting for our jobs and homes only 37% then or already 40+%?
@traveller, 3 November 2010
“…I apologize. I should have considered only voters not citizens. My mistake,…”
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Everyone is learning here …. I think the situation has changed tremendously since the past 10 years.
I think it’s worth asking how much of this stellar GDP growth in recent decades has benefited Singaporeans instead of foreigners. It’s easy to point at record GDP growth and say Singapore is doing well. Singapore may indeed be doing well, but Singaporeans might not be as well off.
This post which I wrote earlier this year highlights this deep and growing divide in Singapore between the country’s economy and its citizens:
http://furrybrowndog.wordpress.com/2010/07/29/the-dual-economy-of-singapore/
All credits for the post should go to Dr Chua Hak Bin, since he was the first to write about this issue back in Jan 2007.
Here’s a related post on the topic:
http://furrybrowndog.wordpress.com/2010/08/06/putting-singapores-gdp-in-perspective/
@ theforgottongeneration,
The USA mid-term elections results are out.The republican party made history this time:won more seats in the house of representatives for the first time in 70yrs.Even the environmental
-ists have lost trust in Obama.So ask yourself,who wins?,Mr.Obama or PM Lee?.Our government is not perfect in everything but at least they did not bankrupt Singapore.
Dear Preston loon
Please save us your crap and read more about American history. The debts of USA dated far back as before world war 1. Fuel by a few past arrogant administration and presidents that spent without thinking for the future (always believe themselves to be the super power in economy). Somehow strike a tune with our current PAP.
To vote PAP out is to prevent the bankrupt of Singapore future! And by the way, how sure are you we have enough money left in our national reserve to see that the last few generation of Singaporean can retire comfortability? Why hold our CPF if they have the money?
Obama is cheaper. Goh is out of touch. Even MM cannot make it in Malaysia, don’t have to compare with USA.
PAP always self praise. Goh should go back to shipping and offer his consultancy services.
@ikickedPRESTONloonkarchn, 3 November 2010
“…1 who cannot swim blamed his balls is heavy..yet mas sala can swimm with a limb to johore..off course prestonloon would hav said..mas sala hav SMALL balls…”
There’s grotesque. Lucky you didn’t say large balls make for good improvised flotation devices. Oops,… should be PG-rated. Small wonder WKS said MKS still have not given a satisfactory account on how he made it to M’sia.
http://www3.ntu.edu.sg/CorpComms2/Documents/2010/Oct/Speech%20by%20SM%20Goh%20Chok%20Tong%20at%20NTUSU%20Ministerial%20Forum.pdf
The organisers have asked me to speak on “Singapore: City of Buzz”.
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The best way is for the PAP to buzz off.
@preston loon
You seems desperate to be seen licking someone’s boots. Agree Obama also not perfect, but he started off with a hugh deficit, a crumbling heathcare system, more than 12% unemployment, 2 wars in Iraq & Afghanistan, a country with 62x population & 56xGDP to S’pore, etc… (and 1/5 the pay).
And you still asking whether a Nobel Prize winner is better than a recipient of a RWB complain? Or should we also add the current UN complaint of human rights violation?