MM Lee Kuan Yew
In January 2011, the Straits Times Press released the book, “Hard Truths To Keep Singapore Going”. The book is an account based on interviews by several Straits Times journalists with Minister Mentor (MM) Lee Kuan Yew.
In the book, MM Lee spoke candidly about various issues facing Singapore, among which was the integration of Singapore’s Malay-Muslims into society. MM Lee’s controversial remarks about how “the other communities have easier integration” than the Malay-Muslims caused unhappiness among the Malay-Muslim community here.
MM Lee subsequently issued a statement saying that his “call [was] out of date”. He also said: “I stand corrected.”
The Prime Minister, ministers and Members of Parliament from the People’s Action Party welcomed MM Lee’s statement.
On 28 March, American journalist Charlie Rose interviewed MM Lee at the Istana and asked, among other things, MM Lee about his remarks in the book.
Below is a summary of what has transpired thus far on the matter.
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January 2011, Yahoo News:
“Hard Truths To Keep Singapore Going”
“Muslims socially do not cause any trouble, but they are distinct and separate.” When asked how they could integrate, he [MM Lee] said, “Be less strict on Islamic observances, and say: ‘Okay, I’ll eat with you.’”
“I think we were progressing very nicely until the surge of Islam came, and if you asked me for my observations, the other communities have easier integration — friends, inter-marriages and so on – than Muslims.”
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8 March 2011, Yahoo News:
Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong later said his views on Muslims’ integration in Singapore differed from the Minister Mentor’s. “Muslims are a valued and respected community, who have done a good deal to strengthen our harmony and social cohesion,” said the Prime Minister.
Prime Minister’s Office website:
PM Lee: “My own perspective on how things are in Singapore, based on my interaction with the Malay community…is not quite the same as MM’s.”
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8 March 2011, Straits Times:
“Hard Truths was a book based on 32 hours of interviews over a period of two years,’ he [MM Lee] said.
“I made this one comment on the Muslims integrating with other communities probably two or three years ago. Ministers and MPs, both Malay and non-Malay, have since told me that Singapore Malays have indeed made special efforts to integrate with the other communities, especially since 9/11, and that my call is out of date.”
“I stand corrected. I hope that this trend will continue in the future.”
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8 March 2011, Straits Times
MP Halimah Yacob, who spoke on racial cohesion in Singapore in Parliament on Monday, told [Straits Times], “This will go a long way towards assuaging the feelings of the community. … MM’s earlier comments caused a lot of unhappiness because many felt it was not a description of the reality.”
She added, the statement show’s Mr Lee’s “humility”.
Chairman of the Association of Muslim Professionals Nizam Ismail also welcomed the news. He said the “retraction” was a “necessary” move.
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9 March 2011, Straits Times, Channel NewsAsia:
Madam Moliah Hashim, chief executive officer of self-help group Mendaki, said MM Lee’s comments ‘restore the confidence of our community and others that Malay-Muslims have indeed done much to integrate’.
Said Senior Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Zainul Abidin Rasheed: ‘Religion and race have always been delicate issues and require sensitive handling.
‘I am happy to see MM’s statement. It gives a kind of closure to the controversy, which had made many Muslims unhappy, in fact even hurt.’
Added Hong Kah GRC MP and Young PAP vice-chairman Zaqy Mohamad: ‘There will always be detractors, but for many in the community who want closure, they should be reassured by his comments.’
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14 March 2011, Straits Times:
Yaacob Ibrahim, Minister in charge of Muslim Affairs:
“MM (Lee Kuan Yew) has said he stands corrected, which shows a lot about his ability to learn from what he may have misunderstood. At the end of the day, he realises his observations were not quite accurate. I think we should move on from there.”
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Interview with Charlie Rose, 28 March 2011:
At 31:57 mins of the video:
MM Lee: “I said in that book (“Hard Truths”) that I think that the Malays, that Muslims should be relaxed and eat together with the others.”
Charlie Rose: “And it created a firestorm and your son said, the Prime Minister, differed with you.”
MM Lee: “That’s right.”
Charlie Rose: “So, were you right or was your son right?”
MM Lee: *laughs*
MM Lee: “He has to be right because he is the Prime Minister.”
Charlie Rose: “But … but?”
MM Lee: “But you ask the average person in the street whether what I’ve said is true.”
Charlie Rose: “And they would say?”
MM Lee: “You ask them.”
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Dear ag s, californian & SC,
No matter what you say – it is clear to all Muslims what your innermost thoughts are regarding Islam.
Californian – my answer remains the same. I will go for a tit-for-tat policy. If the Jews and Christians intend to follow their Messiah – then we Muslims will follow al-Mahdi. If the Jews and Christians do not follow their Messiah – then Muslims need not follow al-Mahdi. Its a very straight-forward answer and policy. And most importantly – its fair and it does not compromise Islam.
ag s, I am not even defending Islam. It is God who will protect Islam. I am just telling you why and what we Muslims believe in. You are free to accept it or reject it. Either way I could not care less. To you be your beliefs and to me mine.
As for you SC, your hatred for religion knows no bound. But thats your business. As long as you do not go around insisteing that Muslims disobey Islamic teachings etc – then its ok. But if you go around telling Muslims to disobey Islamic teachings – well – then you must be prepared for a strong Muslim reaction.
Islam is NOT an Arab thing. If you cannot accept that – well – too bad. The Muslim world is NOT going to modify Islam to suit your every whim and fancy. Grow up !
Best Regards
Dr Syed Alwi
Dear payalebar, Muslim-Local-In-US,etc etc
You must understand the nature of political office in a country like Singapore. Whether its the PAP or the Opposition – those political office-holders will come under tremendous Western pressure to support the Western 10-40 agenda.
There is NO guarantee that the Opposition will fare any better in this regard.
Singapore Muslims are too few and too spread out to carry much political weight.
So – yes – while I agree that we need more Opposition (in fact I will definitely vote for Opposition) – I am however realistic enough to know that the Opposition too, will come under tremendous Western pressure to support the Western 10-40 agenda.
I hope you understand these issues.
Best Regards
Dr Syed Alwi
Dr Syed Alwi,
you do not take any effort to listen, & stick staunchly to your own point of view. you seem to hold on to a rather extreme view that anyone who questions Islam as an attack on Islam.
do you represent Muslims globally to since you say there are 3 billion Muslims? do all of them share your views? you have a penchant for speaking about Muslims in numerous countries. but by doing so, have spoke out out of context- that of S’pore.
you are just out to push forth your own religious agenda (anti-Western), going way out of topic.
which part of the Muslim World do you reside? you cannot hide your anti-Western sentiments, which isn’t what this topic is about.
Dear mice is nice,
You may not be aware – but there are hidden agendas here. Not all forummers here are sincere. Some are here with a hidden agenda.
I am NOT anti-Western – but the West does have a policy against Islam and in fact the US does have a 10-40 agenda.
I do not attack anyone. If you look closely – all I do is answer questions posed to me. You mean to tell me that I cannot respond to questions ?
The context of Singapore is very simple. Singapore is under pressure to support the Western agenda towards Islam.
So it does not matter who forms the Government in Singapore. Whomsoever it is – will definitely be pressured to support the Western agenda.
Regards
Dr Syed Alwi
ag s has exposed the ignorance of Syed Alwi regarding the Koran.
When asked about 69:44-47, Syed went on,
“Those verses are meant to assure us that the Prophet is acting according to the Will of God.
In fact – those verses merely re-affirms the necessity to accept the Hadith which are the teachings of the Prophet.”
The commentary from Islamic scholars about the verses are:
“The right hand is the hand of power and action. Anyone, who is seized by his right hand is prevented from acting as he wishes or carrying out his purpose. The argument is that if an imposter were to arise, he would soon been found out. He could not carry on his fraud indefinitely.
The protection which the prophets of Allah enjoy in circumstances of danger and difficulty would not be available for imposters.” (commentary by Abdullah Yusuf Ali)
So the verses does not speak of the hadiths at all.
Syed Alwi is not only evasive but I wonder if he actually reads the Koran.
Dr Syed Alwi,
you are doing yourself a dis-service by going so way off topic. as for hidden agendas, dun jump the gun soo soon, IMPO, its like crying wolf.
even if some of the West have an anti-Islam agenda, you have been vague about it initially. its not the 1st time you have gone so way off topic. doing so repeatedly will only make others more critical of you, or totally ignore you.
with China’s growing influence counter-balancing the West’s, would that ease your worries alittle? China’s not pro-West.
Syed Alwi,
You wrote:
“As for you SC, your hatred for religion knows no bound.”
You have misinterpreted me. My opinion is that no religion should be exempted from criticism (or rather critical analysis).
They should be examined under the microscope of the scientific method based on rationality and logic.
If religionists fail to do this they will be left behind.
You wrote : ”The Muslim world is NOT going to modify Islam to suit your every whim and fancy. Grow up !”
I think it’s you who should grow up and out of touch with true Islam.
An Islamic scholar whom I admire introduced to me the book by the Malaysian Muslim intellectual, Syed Akhbar Ali entitled
“ Malaysia And The Club Of Doom: The Collapse Of The Islamic Countries” (Syed Akhbar Ali is a Muslim)
In it, he wrote, “But among all the Islamic countries, religion seems to have a larger than life role in ultimately causing state failure.”
“What exactly constitutes a failed state? Using one of the two sets of criteria (p. 7), Syed Akbar characterizes a failed state as one which exhibits the following attributes:
1. Restrictions on the free flow of information
2. The subjugation of women
3. Inability to accept responsibility for individual or collective failure
4. The extended family or clan as the basic unit of social organization
5. Domination by a restrictive religion
6. A low valuation of education
7. Low prestige assigned to work
And it is with this realization that Syed Akbar explores how the Islamic countries the world over fit nicely into the unflattering category of failed state.
While doing so, however, the author is quick to come back to Malaysia, pointing out areas where there are early (or even advanced) signs paralleling those found in Islamic countries such as Pakistan, the Arab states, and Somalia – which the author classifies as the ultimate “basket case” example of the failed state (pp. 206 – 207, and elsewhere).”
http://asylum60.blogspot.com/2006/11/book-review-malaysia-and-club-of-doom.html
In your appealing to Al Ahzhar and Medina, Akhbar Ali wrote:
“What they [Muslims] follow today are the opinions of the so called scholars, religious leaders and others – many of whom have led them astray. That is why we find the Muslims bungling from one decade to another decade, one century to another century.” (p. 80)
So Syed Alwi, Islamic countries are going backwards because they are not following the true Islam.
Dear fellow Singaporean Muslims,
I think that its time we seriously consider migrating to a more Muslim-friendly country. I cannot guarantee you that whatever Government that comes next – will be more sympathetic towards legitimate Muslim interests.
People like SC obviously supports the Islam Liberal crowd like Akbar Ali etc who are in turn, supported by the West. Islam Liberal has been labelled by Muslim authorities world-wide as an “agama sesat” (deviant).
People like mice is nice – they have no idea of the international power-play that is currently going on in South East Asia. They do not follow what is going on in Malaysia, in Indonesia etc. They only see what is happening here in Singapore.
Remember – it does not matter who forms the Government in Singapore. Whomsoever it is – will come under enormous Western pressure to implement the Western agenda towards Islam.
As for China – she has her own interests to protect. And that includes her need to export to Western markets.
As far as Muslims are concerned – we have no one else to turn to except God and ourselves.
Whatever decision we make – there is a heavy price to pay.
With that – I leave this debate. I have done my job. Its up to you to think very carefully about the future of our Muslim community here in Singapore.
Best Regards
Dr Syed Alwi
Dr Syed Alwi, 16 April 2011
quote:
“With that – I leave this debate. I have done my job.”
what is your job?
Dear Dr. Syed Alwi,
Let me repeat: I’m not here to change your Muslim beliefs. I only want to understand what you believe in terms of your belief of al-Mahdi and his call to jihad, especially with regards to Singapore. You have every right to believe what you want to believe.
Based on your previous replies, you have absolutel no intention to follow through on your reply to me that “If californian does not follow the Jewish or Christian Messiah when he appears, will you follow the Muslim Messiah, or if californian follows the Jewish or Christian Messiah when he appears, will you follow the Muslim Messiah?” My answer was “NO”.
So, you modified your answer to “If the Jews and the Christians can give assurance that they will not follow their Messiah V then I think Muslims too will not follow their Messiah (al-Mahdi). Thats only fair.”
As many Muslims believe in conspiracy theories (Jews and Christian illuminatis, freemasons, the Pope, etc), and your talk of western influences, etc, sure, you will find Jews and Christians who believe in a coming Messiah before the end of the world. Already there are all sorts of nut-case groups of people who believe in some existing claimant to Messiahship (eg. David Koresh though he is already dead, the Moonies, etc). Just do a quick search and you find that there are lots of Jews who claim to be the Mashiach, Christians who claim to be Jesus, and Muslims who claim to be al-Mahdi. (Oh, of course, Isa will claim to be the same Jesus of the Bible, no doubt…. and I’m sure some Jews/Christian will end up following him). But see, these doesn’t necessarily have any bearing on Singaporeans following the Jewish/Christian Messiah (OK, the Catholics do follow the Pope, but the Protestants couldn’t care less).
So, coming back to this statement of yours, yes, you will also find some people who will do that. (Many Muslims believe that the Pope/Vatican is the antichrist…. also believed by some Protestants as well…. so yeah, you’ve got 1 billion Catholics who already follow him, and the other billion of Christians who believe otherwise).
So, the antecedent of your modified answer is true, and thus, by the syllogism called modus ponens (p ^ (p->q) -> q), the consequent is thus………. clear.
But sorry, you didn’t give any assurance to your fellow Singaporean Buddhists, Hindus, atheists, etc who have no idea what the Jewish/Christian Messiahs are, and won’t be following them anytime soon. But based on the actions of some Jews/Christians in the West, say, these Singaporeans have just been implicated. (Please clarify: if a Singaporean does not want to follow the Jewish/Christian Messiah and also does not want to follow al-Mahdi and Isa, what will be his fate in the Last Days?)
(For those of you who want to know what Muslims conspiracy theories many of them believe, go to youtube and search for the 50+ part series called “Arrivals” and “al-Mahdi”. Part 48 is the one on al-Mahdi. It’s a bit long and repetitive, but gives you an idea what Dr. Syed Alwi was talking about in terms of Western/Dajjal conspiracies. Iran also recently put out a very nicely made series to prepare for the coming of al-Mahdi. They believe they will conquer Jerusalem before al-Mahdi appears).
BTW, I should point out that there are some slight difference between Shi`i beliefs in al-Mahdi and Sunni beliefs in al-Mahdi. The former believe that he was the 12th Imam (Muhammad al-Mahdi), who disappeared many years ago and will return again. For Sunnis, the al-Mahdi is not revealed yet.
Other than that, they will do the same things:
1. Unite the Muslims
2. Wage jihad against the world
3. Isa will kill ad-Dajjal (Muslim version of Antichrist)
4. Bring entire world under Islam.
5. Die and Isa will take his place to rule with Sharia law.
MM Lee is not infallible. He is entitled to his opinion. Lets move on.
I have a feeling that a number of the contributors here are spies and have entered this forum to talk so much about Islam to swarm the real issue.
LKY must be very happy to read how these spies spar and trade and nitpick the Qur’an and Sunnah. He must think that he is right after all, these chaps can’t think straight even among themselves. How do you expect them to deal with other religions and peoples?
The guest of honour of Syed Akbar Ali’s book ” “Malaysia and the club of doom – the collapse of the Islamic countries”, was Dr. Mahathir.
http://bigdogdotcom.wordpress.com/2007/04/04/tun-dr-mahathir-urge-to-read-more/
However “on Tuesday 6th May 2008, businessman Syed Akbar Ali was charged under Section 4(1)(c) of the Sedition Act 1948 at a sessions court (in Kuala Lumpur?) for posting a comment on Raja Petra’s site on June 5, 2007. Raja Petra’s article was entitled “Malaysia’s Organised Crime Syndicate: All Roads Lead to Putrajaya”.
His comments included remarks about the Kaabah, Arabs and Malays.”
http://promptus.blogspot.com/2008/05/syed-akbar-ali-charged-with-sedition.html
LKY should do the honorable thing, step down and retire.
Dear payalebar,
it’s so much easier to believe in conspiracy theory than in real hard facts.
Like Francis Seow who said, “… I tried to pass word that, contrary to Lee Kuan Yews wild and morbid accusations, I have yet to receive payment from the C.I.A. in the hope that it would reach the right ears of the fate that had befallen me so that I can at least receive from the C.I.A belated payments To this day, I have not heard from the C.I.A.”
I’m still waiting for PAP to contact me and give me my belated millions.
A Singaporean Muslim’s response to LKY’s statements about Islam and Muslims in his book ” Lee Kuan Yew : Some Hard Truths to Keep Singapore Going ”
http://asingaporeanmuslim.blogspot.com/2011/03/real-hard-truths-open-letter-to-mm-lee.html
This response was sent as an Open Letter via email to LKY, Members of Parliament, other individuals in the Singapore Government & members of the Singaporean Muslim community.
The Ruling Party declares that it does not want religious strife to occur in Singapore and has drummed this into the citizenry for almost 50 years. Why does a core member of the Ruling Party now decide to relax this habit of careful avoidance for offense and start spouting opinions about how Muslims should live? For decades all the communities of the different religions here live in peace, why does this important member of the ruling party, in fact the founding father of Singapore, now decide to dice with fire. It may be because he has found the Malay Muslim community docile, especially those working in MUIS very compliant, rubber stamping the Ruling Party’s every whim. So he decides to shortcut the process and say it himself to the Malay Muslims directly. The gist of what he wants is that Malay Muslims in Singapore should water down their Islam! I wonder whether this man who is supposed to be so erudite knows that in World Islam itself there is ongoing efforts by its jurists and scholars to determine best practices or sunnah as encapsulated in the Holy Qur’an and Hadiths. It would be hilarious if not downright insulting for a non Muslim like him , no matter how eminent to take part in discovering the sunnah. But he foolishly attempted to shape the sunnah. This I think is the groteque incongruity that provoke the Muslims in Singapore to anger.
So by his outburst we could catch a glimpse of the state of understanding he has of Islam. What about the understanding of Islam of the rest of the Cabinet. I think it would be at about his level. But you would say that there is the Minister for Muslim Affairs to guide him and the Mufti and the whole panoply of Muslim lights in MUIS. Each man for his own. Hear no evil, speak no evil and you will long receive your pay-packets.
SURAT AL KAFIROON
In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate
Say “O unbelievers;
I do not worship what you worship.
Nor do you worship what I worship;
I shall never worship what you worship;
Neither will you worship what I worship;
For you your belief, but I have my Religion.”
I am a peaceful Singaporean and devout Muslim.. I eat with my colleagues every single day at the wet market and some of them eat pork..
I do not understand what the fuss is all about. Some which I find funny and amusing even interprete the Quran.
All I can say is that Mm Lee you are wrong. I a Malay muslim, a professional an engineer believes that I have more than integrated in this so called unique society. I go out and socialize with my non Muslim friends, watch football with them in coffeeshops and at times bars and many more activities without compromising my Muslim beliefs.
In whatever way people have interpreted my religion and it’s texts. In my interpretation it teaches me to be nice warm n friendly, peaceful and most importantly loving person. I strongly believe I have done my fair share of contribution and feel that it is unfair for me still to be questioned and criticized.
I certainly have lost all my respect for mm lee n others who agreed. Coz its shallow and narrow minded, old primeval thinking causing division in society by bringing up this matter in already modern matured 21st century.
I am a Muslim. My non Muslim boss takes delight to present me with fired pork strips which is supposed to be a Chinese delicacy. In order not to create offense, I accepted the expensive box of pork stripes and walked down the lane below my office to give it to a homeless man. Next day, my boss asked his secretary whether i have created trouble over the issue. Still not satisfied, he then asked me whether I acceted the box of fried pork strips. I said, I did. Next story. I lived with a non Mulim couple once. Almost all my non Muslim friends say that Muslims are belligerent aa they fight wars in many parts of the world. MM Lee is no different, for all his erudiction and known attainments, he has been affected by American and Jewish propaganda and stories heard at his mother’s knees which never leave him, despite a long life in a multiracial and multireligious world, studies at Cambridge, holding eminent public offices, even deemed to be a wise man of our times.
I MM Lee is so fixed in his mind over Muslims, what do you is the state of mind of the masses who are non Muslims? We as a community need to have strong leadership at the helm. Sad to say our leading Muslim Institutions are mere rubberstamps and riddled with conflict of interests and other forms of immoral behaviour. I have the evidences for my last statement.
mice is nice 16 April 2011
Dr Syed Alwi, 16 April 2011
quote:
“With that – I leave this debate. I have done my job.”
what is your job?
His job is to defend the social standing of the race/religion which he belongs to(though with high frequency of unsound logics and failure to control the emotion), a resulting action of his unconscious/denied cognition that the decrease in social standing of his race would directly/indirectly affect his individual social worth. A probable portrayal of egocentrism.
He then takes on the leadership role to appeal to all muslims and attempt to reinforce their believe that their kind has been compromised in the Singapore society (which one would get a very different opinion upon surveying the muslim masses)
From the two points above we should come to an agreement that such an egocentric character do not represent the voice of the malay community.
Devotee of Science, note that even in Singapore there are Muslims who are not Malays and we are equally troubled by the temerity of the man who not being a Prophet of Islam wants to set the boundaries for Muslim behaviour in Singapore.
How to integrate mainly Malay-Muslim S’poreans with mainly Chinese (& other) non-Muslim S’poreans?
(a) bring in more Hui (Muslim Han PRC national) (i) singles and (ii) married couples with at least 2 kids. For the singles, give them free Malay lessons and free SDU sessions with Malay Singaporean singles.
(b) Free SDU sessions for Malay Singaporean men who would meet Chinese and Indian Singaporean women; and Chinese and Indian Singaporean men who would meet Malay Singaporean women.
(c) Ban the tight scarf for Mualim women in government offices (workers and visiting). Allow only the loose scarf or wigs. Jewish women are also required to cover, but some orthodox Jewish women comply by wearing wigs. There is nothing in the Koran so far as I know about tight scarfs. Rafidah, former Malaysian trade minister, used to wear loose scarf. Malay Muslim women MPs and others in public eye should take the lead and wear the loose scarf or wigs.
(d) Build more halal food courts and reduce the number of non-halal food courts. Encourge Chinese Singaporeans to eat pork at home or restaurants but not at food courts. Can still have a few food courts for pork dished but they should be reduced in number.
(e) Encourage more NSmen to dine at halal food canteen by serving Chinese and Western food at the halal food canteen.
(f) Look to build community spaces (something like community club but not sports oriented or games oriented) next to mosques and prayer halls. Non-muslims should be encouraged to meet with muslims at these secular community spaces. Preaching and distribution of religious literature would be banned. Instead, focus at the community spaces should be on financial and education/financial planning and S’poreans of all creeds jointly helping those in need (e.g. gamblers with problems, those who need to be on suicide watch, those suffering from life threatening illnesses, young poor people in need of free tuition etc). These community spaces could be established by private-public partnership. They should NOT be under the People’s Association (like community clubs) or even under some form of central control, but under the joint control of (i) the Malay Muslim attendees of the nearest mosque/prayer hall and (ii) private sector (maybe the nearest shopping centre operator or other sponsor) and (iii) other interested Singaporean private citizens or corporations.
(g) when Singaporeans travel overseas together e.g. school trips or office trips organized by company or tours organized by community clubs, they should travel and dine together (halal restaurants) overseas. May mean travelling to places like Turkey, Xinjiang or Hui populated cities in China and parts of India with Muslim majority e.g. Hyderabad. Otherwise Southern Thailand, Southern Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei. Bosnia, Albania and parts of Russia with Muslims too. France has plenty of muslims and halal restaurants. Or just go on vegetarian tours together but many Malays may not care for vegetarian Chinese food. i.e. don’t just go off to China and Thailand as many of these tours do but plan to bring Malay Muslim Singaporeans (and their families) along too.
(h) encourage single/widowed Muslim females between 18 to 45 (with and without kids) from war-torn Bosnia and Chechnya (and other parts of Caucuses) and Syria to move to Singapore, give them free Malay and/or Chinese lessons and encourge them to socialise with single Singaporean males of all ethnic backgrounds. They might act as a ‘neutral’ ethnic group (between Malay Singaporeans and Chinese Singaporeans). Set up embassy in Bosia and consultate in Chechnya and (after the current crisis is over) Damascus to encorage these single/widowed Bosnia, Chechian and Syrian women to relocate to Singapore.
i am a Muslim and i think that Muslims are a problematic bunch of people.
Hmmm we are doing well so far…C'mon guys, LKY just said sorry didnt he?