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I humbly suggest that you grade the candidates based on the following factors:(you decide how you want to score)
(1)Honesty
(2)Competence/Ability
(3)Heart for the people
(4)Ability to perform as your Peresident
Three possible grades each,0%,50%,100%
add up the total scores of each candidates.
Max is 400%,min is zero.
TO all my fellow Singaporean (whether true born or new), seriously, do you really want a PAP-man to do the check and balance the PAP govt? (I am not even saying ‘ex-PAP’ because they are still so..PAP). Voting either of them we will have another term of ‘Nathan’, highly paid aside, what has he done for his countrymen? Speaking and doing things quietly? If it works, we will not be in this state, or was him not influential enough? We already have PAP as government and why not give the younger candidate Jee Say a chance to try? If you also think that President is for check and balance and speaking for the people to better their lives, Jee Say is definitely the one. He is sincere in wanting to do it for Singaporean, not for the high salary and really, who has got his courage? He is against all odds with so much to lose and yet stepping forward.
TT should stay in political office, as it is a waste of him knowledge to be a president. TJS and TKL should run for MP as they wish to act for people. IMO, TCB should be a better person to be our president. He will be able to check and align with government at the same time.
To son, TJS is so angry because he is human.
all 4 are disappointing, but if i die die have to choose one, TCB seems to be the better among the 4 so far.
my criteria is simple, the president has to be the unifying figure, not someone who will divide the nation.
TT n TJS automatically gets disqualified by this criteria as they represent the two extreme ends of the political spectrum.
the hardcore PAP supporters will vote for TT, the hardcore anti-PAP voters will vote for TJS, either one get elected the supporters of each side will be very unhappy.
that leaves us with TCB and TKL, TCB is better than TKL by virtue of better english, giving more relevant answers to questions and comes across as a more principled person who does not indulge in playing to the gallery.
TCB cannot be an independent President. He still have too much of the PAP DNA in him. TKL is too mild and his English is not good enough. TJS present the best choice for an independent President!
@Chou Ah Lian, my vote goes to Tan Jee Say but to me, all the potential ’1st lady’ look elegant to me, especially Mrs Tan Jee Say, she is plain but carry herself well (remind me of the 1st lady of Taiwan).
For 50 years the PAP has a stable of pit bulls ready to tear the guts out from any citizens who seems a threat to its hold on power. Dr Tony Tan is cast in the same mold as a pit bull. In fact the ISD evolved to be most deadly in his watch. Elect him and you will have in your neighborhood, in addition to the police post and fire post, an ISD post to boot. The culture of fear will be accentuated, fueled by pit-bull dogs and their sycophant handlers ensconced in their million dollar pedestals.
TJS is hopelessly and shamelessly taking advantage of the angry and ugly Singaporean support to disrupt a good government, very soon Singapore is going the way Thailand is heading.
Son21 August 2011
Mummy ask why is tjs so angry the other 3 behave well
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wah your mummy steady siah…
sleepin with 3 TANs in 1 bed..
ow bout me intro 1 more tan..
mai kaitan… he sell good 1/2 boiled eggs
better than viagras…
@ the very lesast.. 4 mahjon kakis on bed make you mummy’s water dripped liked the nigara waterfall
It seems very clear from the number of trolls at this thread that it is TJS they fear. If you read carefully, they will mention that better to vote for TCB or TKL or even TT. Common thread – not TJS. They are running scared and TT came across badly on a platform they couldn’t control. I remember vividly during GE, many foreign news organizations tried to interview PAP but were always declined ranging from Al Jazeera to BBC to CNN. TOC is to be congratulated for leveling the playing field. I do hope they will not all Mediacorp to broadcast unless it is in full. And perhaps reprimand the slanted and skewed coverage in the MSM.
Mummi say father die 10 ears ago. oh he come see us 7 mth. tjs is angry becos did not study simple englis. whic sch he go
This was a forum for goodness sake! It was a platform for discussion and DEBATE! Nothing wrong on the part of TJS to express his views in this manner. If this is a problem, then TT should be ticked off for interruption. It was a provocation on the part of TT that ought to be condemned. The moderator tried to cut off TJS’s right of reply and he had every right to clarify his arguments. To simply equate TJS’s reaction to that of being unbecoming of a president is sooo simplistic. When the then PM LKY was engaged in a heated debate in parliament with J B Jeyaratnam and the enquiry into the law society where he crossed swords with the law society president, Francis Seow; LKY raised his voice, faced turned red and even had a clenched fist during those hot debates. Was that unbecoming of a PM? Did it mean he did not carry himself well at international meetings and with foreigh dignitries? Of course not! He still had my respect as the PM and leader of the government! So similar to the booing incident at TT’s nomination speech, stop making a mountain out of a molehill!
tt contradicted himself and when he cannot give an honest answer, he sidetrack. citing the norway incident by a mad guy to justify isa is lame. no isa can prevent imh incident.
when he lets he guard down, you see his true color. just look at that menancing face threatening tss. typical pap arrogant bully face. he is definitely not the mr nice guy that his msm likes to sell.
tcb was very careful trying to project independency and at the sametime not to step on the toes of his former pap colleagues.
tjs is truly independent and would not hesitate to take on the government if he thinks he must do so. like the isa thing that he exchanged with tt.
tkl — he will lose his deposit. just did not have it. out of point all the time. wonder he understands the questions or not.
TKL is tan lao kui(wait to embarass), TT is tan and tan (wait and wait but no change), TJS is jin tan si (really wait to die!), so what is the only choice TCB (Tan Bo chap, No care lah).
@singaporean – TJS is Tan Jiak Sai
is Tan eat shit.
@singaporean – TCB is Tan Chou Bu
This one is scolding your mother lah.
@iVOTEahMENG21. . .
Mummi say ah meng very stressful. A lot frustration. not enough mother love. willing to take him as son. shower w love. learn to forgive. U will happier
@Another neutral observer
To vote a govt man as a check on the govt on the basis that the govt will co-operate with him but not with a non-govt man. Does that make sense to you? Are you assuming the govt will try to play punk with any non-Tony Tan EP and so Singaporeans should vote Tony Tan so that the govt is happy and doesn’t put road blocks to frustrate the EP? Does that make sense to you? If the govt will co-operate with Tony Tan but not with other EPs it is only because the govt knows Tony Tan is their man so yr logic is self-defeating. Anyway, let us see how the govt plays punk with a non-govt EP and see what that does to the popularity of PAP amongst voters. That will be another nail in the PAP coffin.
You are right though that it is always possible that any govt man can transform into an effective ‘check and balance’ on the govt once he assumes a new role – of EP. Anything is possible. But is there any basis to assume that of Tony Tan? I have seen none and the forum only reinforced my view. It is a lot to hope for that Tony Tan who has been PAP his whole life and DPM no less is suddenly going to be an effective ‘check and balance’. Besides, this is more than a character issue. Tony Tan thinks just like the rest of PAP – even if he puts aside his buddy buddy relations with govt, he is still constrained by groupthink. What sort of an independent check is he likely to be.
Besides, why bend over backwards to argue that a person who has been with govt for decades can now be independent? As if there is no other choice? What is wrong with the other candidates? Singaporeans have been duped into believing the PAP rhetoric that only PAP chosen persons are capable. In reality how many really insightful things have you heard from our parliamentarians. I have read and heard much of their talk and I am very much unimpressed. It strikes me that they are mostly impressed with themselves but hardly deliver any original thought. They are too busy thinking how brilliant they are rather than working out of sincere desire to do good. They take credit for everything that Singaporeans work hard to achieve and blame the rest of the world for all their failures. Meanwhile they keep squeezing more and more out of Singaporeans to deliver a record of national advancement at the expense of the people. Tony Tan has been at the head of this govt. He is one of those people – he sits there talking as though he knows all the answers but doesn’t need to explain anything.
It will only do good for Singapore if Tony Tan loses badly. Just as it has done good for Singapore that PAP lost a GRC. In reality, who the president is probably will make no practical difference to anything. But Tony Tan losing will build the confidence of Singaporeans that Singapore is more than just the PAP. It will also make the govt realise that the people can no longer be led by the nose to do the bidding of the PAP.
Anyway, Singaporeans will have to live with their choice. I for one, will be very disappointed if it is Tony Tan.
Can the public find out why there is a two hour delay to the telecast of the debate? I have seen so many public debates from so many countries, and it is always telecast live. What is the explanation? We have a right to know.
Ethical, principled and people who know what it is to fair n just would never vote the likes of TT.
Voting for TT is eschewing one’s ethics, one’s principles n ignoring sense of justice and fairness.
Only one who is disconnected, self-absorbed would even consider Tt for the presidency.
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The Norway incident is frightening, it was an act of individual terrorism (as understood to-date). i can imagine it can be difficult for ISD (if it happens here) to track before it happened. Now that the murderer is caught, he should be dealt with by the Laws to punish terrorism or criminal offences. Presidential candidate Tony Tan should not dilute the Question that was asked.
It is not gracious that Tony Tan interrupted another speaker. Let the speaker finished his comments and then ask for permission to speak. Is this not basic courtesy?
Why no one at the forum ask TT ( when he was deputy chairman of GIC )on why he spend so much money(i.e our reserves) to invest in UBS and Citigroup lost so much from his investment?
I don’t want a President who use our tax payers’ money for his own bad investment
wat a waste of time. Opp party support opp candidate. PAP party support PAP candidate.
Might as well go home and draw lots to vote! hahaha
1. The role of the president is not to OPPOSE the government, although the president has the power to hold the government responsible where the NEED ARISES
2. If you want TAN JEE SAY TO BE THE PRESIDENT BECAUSE HE WILL oppose PAP, YOU SHOULD HAVE VOTED FOR HIM DURING THE GENERAL ELECTIONS.
TAN JEE SAY MAY BE ANTI PAP BUT HE IS NOT INDEPENDENT ! HE IS OBVIOUSLY SIDING THE OPPOSITION!
@ oms: Think you shd not be spamming this forum. There’s another time and place for you to cheer for the candidate you support.
Agree with JT. Well written!
“It’s between TT and TCB. TJS is too pro-opposition to represent all Singaporeans. He’s bent on making the presidency an alternate centre of power – another attempt at peddling his policies after losing the GE. TKL lacks the charisma and stature.
And for goodness’ sake. It’s time for Singaporeans to unite and choose the best candidate and not along party lines.
We don’t need more partisan politics that fail other democracies e.g. Taiwan split into blue and green, Thailand split into yellow and red.
We don’t need to become another Norway, where a self-radicalized far right extremist killed so many people – despite the country being blessed with natural resources, low income gap, high taxes but good welfare, and excellent press freedom.
We don’t need to become failed welfare states like Portugal, Ireland, Iceland, Italy, Greece, Spain and UK, where people developed a sense of entitlement, where governments run budget deficits in good years and bad years just to “sayang” the ever more demanding voters, and then offer austerity measures instead of assistance when crises struck because they become bankrupt.
We don’t need to become like USA – paralyzed by bipartisan politics, as displayed in the recent debt ceiling saga.
We need to be unique and differentiate ourselves. Then we can rise above the looming financial crisis.
Democracy is good if only we exercise our rights responsibly – be it politicians or voters.
Press freedom is good provided it is matched by responsible/quality journalism (not phone hacking, paparazzi etc).
Internet discussion is good provided it is calm, balanced, logical and well-researched Internet discussion, and not one that spreads anger and resentment, highlighting mistakes and discrediting achievements of opponents at all costs just to gain political points.
If our country is split along partisan lines, we’ll all end up as losers. Income gaps will narrow because we will all be poorer together. There will be no traffic jams because people lose their jobs and cannot afford cars (Bangkok has the smoothest traffic in recent history during the 1997 financial crisis) . Housing becomes dirt cheap because investors pull out and foreigners go home.”
I think that all four candidates have not really address the question from the MARUAH representative on whether they thought that the 1987 arrests under the ISA of the alleged Marxist conspirators was justified.
Only Tan Jee Say had somewhat stuck his neck out to say that the ISA, as a law, might not have been justifiable in the first place. Tan Kin Lian opined that with the Internet age bringing a freer flow of information, wrongful or unjustified arrests under the ISA could be prevented. However, ISA arrests are in the realm of state secrets. Unless an officer of the ISD acting as whistle blower provides the information to a Wikileaks type website, circumstances of arrests would not see the light of day for the public to make an informed judgement and weigh in on the matter. Hence the public scrutiny Tan Kin Lian spoke about is probably wishful thinking at best.
Tony Tan and Tan Cheng Bock basically fobbed off the question. Tony Tan said that the ISA is justified to combat terrorism — which he emphasised can happen anywhere. This answer only provided justification for the ISA. His admission that the ISA had been a “blunt instrument” was welcome. However, he could have said a few words on what he meant by the “most extreme circumstances” in which it should be used.
Of the 4 candidates Tony Tan comes off the worst. He strikes me as cold, smug, disdainful and his smile was plastic. He was the only one who needed a script. He spoke a lot but did not give any answers. Tan Jee Say is the one with the most spirit. Vote for him and Singaporeans may yet recover the Singapore Spirit we have lost over 5 decades of being ruled by a dictator.
Mummi say she like to see more thimk lik jt & g
nathan cannot even be bothered to announce when reserve was used. i wonder he knows anything about it or not. just that there maybe an independent president now, the pap government decided to release this piece of news that the reserve was used for reclaimation of land.
singaporeans are squandering away a last chance of any check and balances on our money if tt is voted in.
isn’t it obvious that it is a win win to have an external auditor / independent director?
What wrong with the confrontation stand of TJS? ISA concerns the life and liberty of common ppl. He was provoked by someone who should not be talking when JS is talking. That someone can still be seen with a sinister smile. Don’t be brain wash that one cannot be confrontational. When it concerns our interest – do you want to give it away to another country that ride roughshod over us?
Tony Tan never answer any question directly. He will beat around the bush.
This is NOT the type of head of state we want. He will NEVER be independent of PAP. Just another Nathan – PAP puppet.
What is the point of an EP if he has no power. Might as will return to previous figure head president or do away with it altogether.
Mr Tan JS is independent. Just because he don’t go along with whatever PAP say does not mean he is siding opposition.
Please lah Sally – have a clearer understanding of the word independent.
let wake up.
in this presidential election candidates, no one can claim that they are ABSOLUTE non-partisan. In some way or another each will have that INCLINATION towards their like and dislike.
the question in point for this EP is to be independent of the ruling party. It’s like why company cannot do their own audit using their own accountant but have to engage a professional independent auditor to provide the checks.
I can’t imagine singapore ever since PAP form the gov for the past 46years have not yet been audited INDEPENDENTLY and yet we are here as an electorate still supporting strongly TT AND TCB !!!
We are given a rare opportunity yet if we vote TT or TCB into this important position, we are really pathetic and DUMB
Anyone still remember the stand of Mr Lee KY & the various ministers regarding the arrest then?
I still remember vividly that Lee KY took the stand that the group was indeed possible threat to national security further down the road but that the government then could still afford to watch it further.
It seems to me that Mr Goh C T was the one who pushed for the arrest.
Minister Dhalabalan later resigned due to the arrest.
The position then of Mr Ong T C ,Dr Tony Tan,etc were not known?
OMG! really no eyes to see that Tan Jee Say is actually a Singapore PE candidate. so disgrace & uncool. wonder how he will show his anger if he were to meet leaders of other countries.
After the May GE, I feel that we are divided into 2 camps. Pro-opposition and pro-pap.
My vote will go to the one who can unite our Nation. Let Singapore be strong and properous as our people stand united.
Do we want the president to argue and against our government all the time? How to progress and properous like that?
Think properly before casting your vote. Let’s unite and bring Singapore to a new height together.
I am cinvinced after listening to part one of the video that tan jee say is a very very dangerous person to court with. if he ever becomes the president of singaproe, we are doomed. all that he is interested in is seeping opposition politics into the presidency. just look at his plate of strange bedfellows- nicole seah from the NSP- so who’s popularity is tan eje say riding on- his own or nicole seah?? candidates are above politics they say. But good bull shit for sure. A whole batallion of opposition politicians canvassing for tan jee say, tan cheng bock and tan kin lian. The latest- Sadasivam Veeariayh- seen at an Indian restaurant with tan cheng bock on sunday afternoon. Sadasivam was a candidate for the SDP in the last GE- so much for being above politics. My plea to Singaporeans- dont fall into the trap of all these three candidates- tan jee say in particular. the only person who can bring singapore to greater heights in the current environment is dr tony tan. the constitution is very very clear. no use beleving them in all that they want to do. THEY CANNOT DO- SIMPLE AS THAT.
@usha sitaram, you say it correctly. once this guy is in power he would show everyone who is the boss and if the government doesn’t follow his suggestion you can expect a lot of drama from this guy played up in the internet through SDP and all the anti establishment supporter. A president is to unify all Singaporean but this guy can only divide.
The enemy that rages within oneself (esp when unreconciled) will always find an enemy.
Straw-clutching is to latch onto anything that resonates of onself and with onself.
Dr tan cheng bock & mr tan kin lian is swing vote in this election. if this is a one to one challenge between tan jee say and tony tan , tan jee say had a winning chance . But dont forget tan jee say is an Ex-colleague of ex-PM goh.
I think the people above me are moles.. What was wrong in tan JEE say’s speech? He rebutted Tony tan who interrupted his speech. Tony tan even threaten and intimidated TJS .. It was a trademark PAP style of smothering the truth.. We need more people like TJS to knock some sense into these cowards who constanly make us feel afraid to speak out. In that dense I salute TJS.. I am not happy with our style if governance and I want change… SDP or not I salute TJS..
If you find a comment that disparages people, singaporean or opposition, chances are its the papies are work…yet again.
I voted for PAP last May. This time…i give chance…..I vote for Tan Jee Say. must give chance one mah…not pap all the time…sama sama lah..
I like Tony Tan. He shows great concerns for the disabled, the tertiary students in transport, citing SPH fund as example.
He is cool and steady and has the bearings of a President. Someone who can engage international leaders like President Obama and Hu Jintao.
Giving chance to TJS is going to bring Singapore down. This guy will not bring Singaporeans together. Give him chance? IMPOSSIBLE!
I think we have too much of those TR people coming over here. This should be a neutral platform but seem like those whose so anti pap just want to come here to support TJS.
Tan Cheng Bock is the best man for the job. The one who shown us he has no emotional baggage and he’s independent. He do not seeing like the 2 other candidates, say candy things abt offering this n that, cutting salary this n that. Want to do it? no need to tell whole world or whole Singapore. He’s been providing and caring for the poor before MP days. Where’s this TJS? Probably busy earning money.
cannot vote for Tan Jee Say, unless you want Chee Soon Juan & all other devils to come out. Ghost month not over yet leh.
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You are wrong. Tan Cheng Bock doesnt allow party endorsement. He only welcome anyone from any parties , to come together as individuals to support him. This is already a point to show us that we must have a president that can bring together people together, regardless of their political differences = to behave like Singaporeans for our country.