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Malaysia’s Finance Minister: If UMNO was not removed in GE14, there is nothing left to save anymore

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Earlier in July this year, Sumiko Tan from Straits Times interviewed Malaysia’s Finance Minister, Lim Guan Eng at dinner. Below is the transcript of the interview that Ms Tan had with Mr Lim that was published. 

Q: What have been your biggest challenges as Finance Minister?

A: A lot of challenges. Everything that has been happening over the last six years, you can’t change it overnight. But grappling with the deceit, with the … what do you call that? Falsification of accounts. It really steals away your appetite. Sometimes I think like, how to eat. I mean I cannot tell you the full extent of the horror that we face, the numbers.

But yet, everyday, at the end of the day, I always tell myself that, you know, we count ourselves blessed that we managed to get them removed this round. If you wait one more round, there’s nothing left to save anymore, you can’t turn things around.

Look at the glass half full, not half empty.

At least we can turn things around. Maybe a bit painful, but we can turn things around. So if we had waited one more term, too late. Sumiko, too late. Really too late.

Q: Did you, like, predict that you would be Finance Minister and be in the position to …

A: No, I never predict I would be the Chief Minister of Penang, and that one day I will be the Finance Minister of Malaysia. Never in my wildest dream, I never even dreamed of that. I just hope that I wouldn’t get detained here and there.

Q: So, how did the offer for the Finance Minister come about? Were you shocked?

A: As PM said, I got a good track record in Penang. And the only one experienced in the Cabinet was actually he and Muhyiddin. Apart from the Chief Ministers who have experience in Government. But yet even though it’s a different scale, but at least it’s a proven track record of turning around a state into the best performing state in the country.

You’ve been to Penang? The result speaks for itself.

Q: Why Pakatan Harapan won the election?

A: I’ve said this to some of your leaders before. I mean, when I was one of the Chief Minister in Penang, that was many years when I first came.

Kuan Yew first came and talked to me. Kuan Yew never believed that we could make a breakthrough. When you see Lee Kuan Yew, only he talk, we never have a chance to talk. But of course, he make very pointed observations, and some of them were very good observations. But, I always feel that probably he doesn’t understand Malaysia as well as he thought he did because he left Malaysia so many years ago and Malaysia has indeed change.

But he never believed that we would throw out Barisan. But I think he doesn’t realise the importance of the economy. When the economy is bad, people have no choice but to vote for change.

Q: But, you think the economy was the main reason the result turned out the way it did, not so much the corruption and all?

A: No, corruption has always been an issue in Malaysia. And it has never made much of a difference. Now it became an issue because of 1MDB. It engendered GST and GST hurt the people. So they saw the link. It’s because he was corrupt, we had to suffer and that we had to pay for GST which was never imposed before. And when that connection was made, everything clicks in the mind.

The only way is when he kept on insisting that he will not abolish GST, whereas we insist that if you want to take out GST, we got to take out Barisan. There’s no two ways about it. And they wanted to take out GST.

The people were suffering. And when they see the opulence, the wealth… If, let’s say, if people were not suffering and they see this fellow benefiting from it, they may not like it but it’s not so painful.

This one really brought home the pain and that’s why the voted in mass numbers and for the first time we won in areas we never won before. Especially in the Malay Kampung, we won. Shocking. We were getting majorities of what, 70,000, 80,000 hundred over thousand. Tony Puan got hundred and … I think it’s … I told him, “It’s obscene,” you know. “Your majority is more than many of the constituencies, it’s obscene.”

Q: But, you know, all this talk about Najib, do you think there might be backlash?

A: I don’t think so lah, Sumiko, it’s just that people saying I should be more tactful and less truthful. And then at the same time when all this is revealed, his only worry is about what? Worried about his chocolates.

Q: Did you all get to the bottom of the chocolates in the end?

A: I’m sorry I never really liked chocolates, so I never really inquired about that. Like Forrest Gump, life is like a box chocolates. Probably he took it literally.

Q: How about the Singapore-Malaysia water contract?

A: Lopsided contract. A lot of lopsided contract. This is what I will say.

Q: You think the water is also lopsided.

A: Yah, of course, lopsided. Three cents for a thousand gallons. Yes, you got an agreement, but …

Q: So what will happen to a contract like this?

A: No, I think for us it’s that we will, of course, keep our end to the bargain even though it’s very unfair but we want to ask Singapore to be a good neighbor in the sense that we are facing this debt predicament.

If there’s any problem with Malaysia, it wouldn’t benefit Singapore also. Adopt a prosper-thy-neighbor policy because at the end of the day, it helps Singapore.

Singapore is on different level. Your GDP per capita is five times ours. You don’t have anything to worry about. But just be, perhaps, understanding. I don’t want to use compassionate. Understanding. Maybe compassionate is not the Singaporeans’ vocabulary. But maybe we should introduce it.

You don’t need compassion. Because it’s just so small of the amount. I mean I’m talking about the water. Something, some sort of goodwill gesture. I mean it wouldn’t cause you to go bankrupt what. It wouldn’t even put a dent in your GDP. I mean, it will generate a lot of goodwill.

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M’sia opposition politician linked to corruption probe; Funds allegedly used in Singapore

The Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission has raided two safe houses and seized US$74,500 in currencies during its investigation into Menteri Besar Selangor Incorporated. Chief commissioner Azam Baki revealed that some of the funds were allegedly used for investments in Singapore. Earlier, on 13 October, MACC discovered RM5 million in foreign currency linked to a prominent opposition politician.

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MALAYSIA: The Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission (MACC) on 14 October has raided two safe houses, including an office, and seized RM321,000 (US$74,500) in both foreign and local currencies as part of its investigation into a case involving Menteri Besar Selangor Incorporated (MBI), a body established to administer the assets and investments of the state government.

MACC chief commissioner Azam Baki announced on 15 October 2024, that RM78,000 was found in the office, while the remaining S$74,000 (about RM243,000)  was located at the other safe house.

“We also received information that a certain amount of money was used for investments in Singapore, but I cannot disclose the full amount or its owner,” Mr Azam told the media when attending a convention in Kota Kinabalu.

The case also reportedly involves a prominent politician.

Earlier, on 13 October, it was reported that the MACC discovered RM5 million (approximately US$1,164,075) in foreign currency during a raid at a condominium unit in Kuala Lumpur, also linked to the prominent politician involved in the corruption probe.

According to local media, MACC stated that one of the suspects arrested revealed that the condominium unit was used as a safe house to store the proceeds of corruption, while the money was also used to fund political activities.

It is believed that the prominent politician instructed a businessman to store the money, which was given by an unidentified individual at the apartment, as reported by Free Malaysia Today.

Former MBI Senior Executive Among Two Arrested in Sand Mining Concession Probe

Previously, Sinar Harian reported that a former MBI senior executive was among the two individuals arrested by MACC in an investigation into a sand mining concession granted by a subsidiary of the state investment body.

The two arrested individuals—one being a businessman—were allegedly linked to a prominent opposition leader with political influence in Selangor, according to local media.

When asked whether the anti-graft agency had summoned the politician involved for its investigation, Mr Azam stated on 14 October that this would only occur when sufficient evidence is available.

“I certainly will not reject or deny that he will be called in, but only after my team or the investigating officer is satisfied with several more findings, including related documents and funds. ”

“As of now, around 15 witnesses have already been called, and I expect many more will be summoned for the investigation,” he said.

Mr Azam also did not disclose whether the individual is currently in government or if more politicians are involved.

“We think we will discover more at the other ‘safe houses’. We are still conducting investigations. Other ‘safe houses’ may have potentially been used to store the proceeds,” Mr Azam was quoted as saying by Harian Metro.

He added that the two suspects who were detained have already been released. One of them is a 43-year-old male driver, while the other is a 46-year-old former financial officer at a firm that secured the sand mining concession several years ago, according to Free Malaysia Today.

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Palestinian woman involved in disturbance at Wisma Transit Malaysia apologises

A video on social media shows Palestinians confronting security personnel at Wisma Transit, Kuala Lumpur, with some behaving aggressively by throwing slippers and damaging property. A woman later apologised in a TikTok video, attributing her actions to emotional distress from being unable to contact her children in Gaza.

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MALAYSIA: A Palestinian woman involved in a disturbance at Wisma Transit, Kuala Lumpur, has issued an apology and expressed deep regret for her actions.

According to NST, the woman, identified as Aminah Muhammad Nafi’ Jamal Abd Rabah, was one of 127 Palestinians brought to Malaysia for medical treatment after sustaining injuries in the ongoing conflict with Israel.

A video that has been circulating on social media since 2 October shows a group of Palestinians involved in a confrontation with security personnel.

Some of them were seen behaving aggressively, including throwing slippers at an enforcement officer and damaging property.

According to reports, the incident was driven by frustration after the group was denied permission to stay outside the designated Wisma Transit Kuala Lumpur (WTKL) premises.

The Woman Apologizes for Disturbance, Attributes Actions to Emotional Distress from Family Separation

Speaking in a TikTok video, Aminah explained that her actions stemmed from personal distress, specifically due to her inability to contact her children, who remain in Gaza.

She emphasised that her behaviour was not intentional, and that it was a product of the difficult situation she and her fellow Palestinians were experiencing.

“I apologise and deeply regret what I did. I swear to God, I did not do it intentionally. We are going through a very difficult situation that only Allah knows,” she said in the clip.

Aminah further expressed her gratitude towards Malaysians for their generosity and respect.

She acknowledged that the treatment she and others had received from the country had been exemplary.

“I swear in the name of Allah, we are receiving the best care. What I say comes sincerely from my heart. You have treated us Palestinians with kindness, respect, and appreciation. ”

“You have fulfilled your duties responsibly, but we were the ones who wronged you,” she added.

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Dengan segala hormat kepada ATM dan semua pihak yang terlibat dalam kes perempuan Palestin yang menjadi viral 2 hari yang lepas di Wisma Putra Malaysia.. saya nak kongsi video perempuan yang sama tapi kali ni content video dia lain sangat dari video yg viral tu .. Rasulullah SAW bersabda: كُلُّ ابْنِ آدَمَ خَطَّاءٌ وَخَيْرُ الْخَطَّائِينَ التَّوَّابُونَ. Maksud hadis ini adalah: Setiap anak Adam (yakni manusia) pasti melakukan kesalahan, sedangkan sebaik-baik orang yang melakukan kesalahan adalah orang yang bertaubat. Hadis riwayat Al-Tirmizi. Ujian besar buat manusia adalah keupayaan untuk memaafkan orang yang membuat salah kepada beliau .. semoga Allah memberi keupayaan ini kepada kami semua.. Walau menjadi apa2 pon, kami rakyat Palestin tetap sayang Malaysia dan rakyat Malaysia.. ikhlas dari hati tahu 🥹🇲🇾🇵🇸 TahreerGh Gh

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The disturbance at Wisma Transit has drawn significant attention, leading to a formal apology from the Palestinian Ambassador to Malaysia, Walid Abu Ali.

In a statement, he reassured Malaysians that the incident did not reflect Palestinian values.

“I apologise on behalf of all Palestinians in Malaysia and back home for what occurred. This is not our culture, ethics, or beliefs,” he stated.

Walid emphasised the deep gratitude Palestinians feel towards Malaysia for its continuous support of their cause.

Since August 2023, Malaysia has taken in 127 Palestinians, including 41 individuals injured in Israeli attacks on Gaza.

Many of the patients were transferred to Tuanku Mizan Military Hospital for treatment, while their relatives were accommodated at various hotels.

“For their own security and safety, the patients were kept in the healthcare facility with restricted movements and limited visitors,” he said.

Many have been in Malaysia since their arrival and have had limited opportunities to leave the hospital.

Walid noted that the patients, having come from war-torn Gaza, were under significant emotional stress, which may have contributed to their behaviour.

He also highlighted that some individuals were struggling to adjust to a completely new culture and environment, exacerbating their emotional challenges.

The Palestinian Embassy in Malaysia, according to Walid, has been closely coordinating with Malaysian authorities to support the patients and their families.

Embassy staff regularly visit the patients and assist with their needs to the best of their ability.

Walid also reassured the Malaysian public that the embassy is working to prevent a recurrence of such incidents.

“My message to Malaysians is that such an incident will not happen again. We love Malaysia and its people. However, please consider that these individuals have come under immense pressure due to the ongoing war. They need special care,” Walid stated.

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